-> On 17 May 09  06:34:00, TIM RICHARDSON got back to BOB ACKLEY 
-> Re: Re-examining Torture ...

 JF>   This begs the question...why would they continue to use
 JF> waterboarding,  etc, all of these years if it didn't work??    I
 
 BA>Because they're a bunch of sadistic psychopaths that get their jollies by
 BA>doing things like that.  Those are the folks you're defending, John.


 TR> People who push people in wheel chairs off of cruise ships into the
 TR> ocean; 

That's the "they did, so we can do it" defense.  

That doesn't wash, unless you are also a psychopath.  

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