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RS>   Jesse Ventura is making the rounds of talk shows, 
RS>   he *WAS* waterboarded, as part of his SERE training, 
RS>   and he says flat out is *IS* torture.

JF>     Do you really think Ventura would 'flat out' allow himself to be
JF> subjected to real torture?  Eyes poked out, fingers chopped off,
JF> teeth pulled, etc.

RW>   OF course not.

  Anyone who can't, or refuses, to see the (very) big difference between 
waterboarding and real torture is, at this point, obviously so wrapped up 
in their own grief and frustration, any such distinctions are blurred.

  Still waiting for someone to explain how a chat is going to make one 
of these characters talk, when they know you won't even take their 
blanket away.  Obviously that drives them right up the wall.  
Get a load at some of the responses.  



JF>     The fact that he was willing to subject himself to waterboarding
JF> tells us it really isn't anything you can't get over of within
JF> minutes, Thanks for helping to demonstrate that.

RW>  YEp, and thanks for helping to demonstrate a point that I've 
RW>  been trying to make in this echo as well.  Many
RW>  interrogation techniques might or might not be considered
RW>  torture depending on your working definition of the term.

  Depending indeed.  Obviously waterboarding isn't anything that compares 
to real torture, Ventura proves this definitively. (Thanks again, Ross.)


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