From: "Lee" 


"Ylog"  wrote in message
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> Mark... I like your ending, but I have to say that youre not preaching the
> whole counsel of God. Love would be meaningless without the context of
> Justice and viceversa. One of the key pieces in understanding God is His
> attributes both communicable and non comunicable. All of God's attributes
> are coherant and work with one another. So God's wrath is just as much in
> context as his love.
>
> That being said I have to apeal to Jesus when someone asked him why the
> Tower od Siloam fell and killed some people. He did not seek to explain it
> and instead told everyone to straigten out thier ways lest the same fate
> befall them. Why Gods timing is not consistant may only be clarified on
> the other side of eternity, but what is clear is that His attributes would
> never be violated lest He cease to be God.
>
> ~Jay
>
>
> "Mark Gerard Miller"  wrote in message
> news:wbhLh.10705$m7.10093{at}bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> In the Old Testament, the Jews said God killed millions of people. He
>> also
>> supposedly told the Jews to kill the men of certain nations and keep the
>> women and children as slaves. In other places, God supposedly told the
>> Jews
>> to kill "every living thing" in certain cities. There is
no exact tally
>> of
>> how many God and the Jews killed, but this Web site
>> http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-comp
lete-list.html
>> makes an estimate of 32,920,670.
>>
>> God supposedly kills Aaron's two sons for doing something wrong with the
>> brazier in the tent containing the Ark of the Covenant. Aaron was Moses'
>> brother. He supposedly turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking
>> back at the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, which God supposedly destroyed
>> with fire and brimstone. He also supposedly killed Onan for masturbation,
>> hence the word "onanism" for masturbation. Earlier in Genesis, God
>> supposedly sent a flood that drowned everyone and every animal on Earth
>> except Noah and his family and the animals they took into the ark. That's
>> just the book of Genesis.
>>
>> See this passage from Numbers, chapter 21:
>>
>> 21:1 And when king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south, heard
>> tell
>> that Israel came by the way of the spies; then he fought against Israel,
>> and
>> took some of them prisoners.
>> 21:2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed
>> deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their
>> cities.
>> 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the
>> Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he
>> called
>> the name of the place Hormah.
>>
>> And read this pleasant interlude, also from Numbers, chapter 31:
>>
>> 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses;
>> and they slew all the males.
>> 31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were
>> slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of
>> Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
>> 31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives,
>> and
>> their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their
>> flocks, and all their goods. They took the women and children captives,
>> and
>> burnt all their cities.
>> 31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their
>> goodly castles, with fire.
>> 31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of
>> beasts.
>> 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto
>> Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children
>> of
>> Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near
>> Jericho.
>>
>> Moses says this in Numbers 31: 15 "Have you allowed all the women to
>> live?"
>> he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and
>> were
>> the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened
>> at
>> Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the
>> boys.
>> And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves
>> every girl who has never slept with a man.
>>
>> Those are just two episodes, and just from Numbers. You get the point,
>> but
>> for more, see the link above. There are many more examples of the Jews
>> and
>> God slaughtering people in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy,
>> Judges,
>> Joshua, Samuel, Kings, etc.
>>
>> Now do you really believe God would kill and enslave people, all of whom
>> he
>> gave life to? And if you do believe that, why did God all of a sudden
>> stop
>> this bloody rampage? What, he was a homicidal maniac for a few hundred
>> years
>> and then just reformed himself? We still have unbelievers and idolaters
>> among us. We still have people worshiping idols. We still have people
>> opposing the Jews. But God doesn't kill them. In fact, he just keeps
>> bringing more and more of them into the world.
>>
>> I am not an atheist. I love God with all my heart, but I think he is more
>> like Jesus, who, when an adulterous woman was brought before him and the
>> Jewish elders asked if they should stone her to death, said,
"Let he who
>> is
>> without sin cast the first stone." Jesus never killed
anybody, even when
>> they were going to murder him in a most painful way. That is the God I
>> believe in. A forgiving, loving God who wouldn't kill or enslave anyone.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
>

The god in the bible never makes much sense, even if she was a female god
suffering with a cosmic case of PMT the behaviour is bizarre to say the
least. Attributing Intelligent design to such an entity would appear to be
a little like saying enraged gorillas display their anger by making origami
flowers for the objects of their rage.

Lee

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