-> On 19 May 09  14:37:00, TIM RICHARDSON got back to BOB ACKLEY 
-> Re: Re-examining Torture ...

 BA>I simply refuse to
 BA>engage in or condone similar behavior just because they do it.

 TR> I don't. I can still see in my minds eye the immages of those two
 TR> jumbo jets swerving around and aiming into the World Trade Center twin
 TR> towers. 

Torture is not going to bring any of them back.  Worse, it's debasing 
the US by lowering it to the levels of such terroists.  

 BA>Your heroes have literally beaten at least three people to death with your
 BA>'enhanced interrogation' techniques and left another one to freeze to
 BA>death while chained naked to the floor of an unheated cell overnight in
 BA>subfreezing weather.


 TR> First of all, save the shock value bullshit for the kiddies. I don't
 TR> know for a fact that any such things happened, and I doubt you do
 TR> either. 
 
Too bad, because it has happened.  The US is guilty of not just having 
had "a few bad apples" but of actually requesting that they do so.  The 
system was set up by edicts from the highest level.  

 BA>Torture interrogation doesn't work, it gives answers but the answers
 BA>aren't necessarily true.

 TR> Secondly, if anyone commits deliberate murder, there have been
 TR> instances of individuals being put on trial in the past. There has been
 TR> a series of trials going on right here at Camp Pendleton for that very
 TR> thing. 

You still ignore the systemic problem instituted by W's administration.  The 
atrocities at Abu Ghraib were vertually assured by the policies instituted.  

 TR> Plus....those who did things considered improper were disciplined. I
 TR> seem to recall a general was relieved and several others disciplined.

That's not where the problem started.  Those actually in charge with the 
program were fired from various prisons in the US because of prisoner 
abuse. They should have been in jail themselves/ But, there they were, 
running the place  

 TR> A few of them got made `a bit uncomfortable' during an interrogation?
 
You cannot re-define what is torture.  It is defined by the Geneva 
Conventions.  Those documemts were deloped with major input from the 
US. It's not as if we were unaware of those "quaint documents".  We 
basically wrote them.  
 
 TR> The subject wasn't `being beaten to death'.....it was *waterboarding*.
 TR> Try to keep up.

Waterboarding is specifically defined as an act of torture.  Cheney 
won't undergo it.  Neither will Hannity.  

In Hannity's case, $1,000 per second was offered for charity.  Yet, he 
won't proceed with it.  Why is that?  After all, as you try to say, "It's 
not torture".  

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