On 01-23-98 David Martorana wrote to Joe Martin... 
 DM>   JM> ..... the question _has_ no depth other than immense obsurdity.
 DM>   
 DM>    "immense obsurdity" ??? I think we may differ some on "depth"! 
 DM>   The question has enormous meaning as the "something" option is 
 DM>   tricky once beyond religion........... ...that "something is" is 
 DM>   the more absurd . 
I've been fooling with the idea of compleat Chaos, and find that 
it supplies the usual idea of no-thing, except that the former is 
capable of generating the universe out of nothing. 
 
Both 'nothing' and 'chaos' lack any means of discerning any sort 
of system or separation between 'this' and 'that'.  It also looks 
like the question of whether something that is not perceived can 
exist- the noise of falling trees in the forest... 
 
Before the big bang, Chaos had all of eternity to randomly iterate 
in, and at some point, things fell into place.  they only had to 
do this once..., and BANG! 
 
The idea that the universe *must* have been created by plan fails 
to appreciate the enormous amount of time available to simply let 
it all happen.  This idea does *not* exclude the existence of God, 
but suggests that he is the first witness.  If God exists, can 
Chaos be? Yes, if Chaos was first.  Whether God has the ability to 
eliminate Chaos is moot, in that he has not decided to try. 
 
Thus, Chaos can be, as it often is, the cause of bad shit. 
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