From: "Rich Gauszka" 

I looked at your blog link and while the Telegraph mentioned 'suicide
attacks' in their lead paragraph to the story the released poll just
mentioned attacks on troops.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml

That's also one of the items the blog picks on  -  the lack of suicide
attacks on Brits ( but not attacks ). A bit nitpicky

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/10/polls-can-we-rely-on-them.html

I don't have a problem with questioning the methodology. Hopefully the
British Defense Ministry will release more information now that the cats
out of the bag.


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> Well, I've been reading the two brothers at Iraq the Model for a long,
> long time and they've been very credible in their assessments of what's
> going down on the ground, so I think I'll take their word on the
> likelihood of the accuracy of the poll.
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:435ec11a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> One can easily skew a poll but the one we were talking about was
>> commissioned by the British Defense Ministry that was leaked to the
>> media. It was far more negative than I expected.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>> LOL, no merely pointing out that we have no idea how the questions were
>>> asked, nor to whom, so the results aren't very reliable. i.e. Do you
>>> want a million dollars? Yes!! Do you want a million dollars if you have
>>> to give up your legs? There'd still be some, maybe even quite a few
>>> affirmatives, but it'd no longer be 100%. >> increased to a billion dollars, it might get back to 100% since you
>>> could buy some pretty fancy femers and have plenty leftover>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:435ebd94$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Why would you add Saddam into the leave immediately
question?  Skewing
>>>> the poll with Bushian logic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:435eafbe{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I wonder how the results would go if the question were
phrased: "The
>>>>>U.S. is leaving tomorrow and releasing Saddam to his
primary palace
>>>>>with a battalion of his former loyal troops, do you
still want them to
>>>>>leave? Yes___ No___
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:435ead69$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:435ea773$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>  > "...for example saying that
"82 per cent are "strongly opposed"
>>>>>>> to the presence of coalition troops" is a
pretty much tricky
>>>>>>> sentence because while I do think that maybe
even 90% of the people
>>>>>>> in any country do not want foreign troops on
their land, it remains
>>>>>>> important to state whether a time interval was
included in the
>>>>>>> question or not. If not, then the question was
designed to give a
>>>>>>> misleading result and if there was one, then
it should have appeared
>>>>>>> along with the results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean it could be true or close to the truth
that 82% of Iraqis do
>>>>>>> not want the troops to stay indefinitely but
if it was meant to say
>>>>>>> that 82% want the troops to leave now then I
assure you that the
>>>>>>> results have been forged. Moreover, there are
some contradictions
>>>>>>> among the results, look at this one closely
"43 per cent of Iraqis
>>>>>>> believe conditions for peace and stability
have worsened" this means
>>>>>>> that 57% of the answers either indicated that
stability and peace
>>>>>>> have improved or they have not changed ..."
>>>>>>>
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/10/polls-can-we-rely-on-them.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last year 71% wished us to leave immediately - 
81% if the Kurds were
>>>>>> excluded so it doesn't look like those numbers
have changed.  I'll
>>>>>> admit I am surprised at the number that supposedly
supports attacks
>>>>>> as way more Iraqis are hurt than coalition forces
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0429/dailyUpdate.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To get a sense of what Iraqis were thinking a year after the
>>>>>> overthrow of former dictator Saddam Hussein,
researchers for the
>>>>>> Gallup Organization, working with funding from CNN
and USA Today, sat
>>>>>> down with 3444 Iraqis in March and early April
(before the latest
>>>>>> outbreaks of violence). They conducted interviews
that lasted as long
>>>>>> as 70 minutes (often at great personal risk). And
what they found
>>>>>> does not bode well in the short-term for the US
and its allies in
>>>>>> Iraq, although it may bode well for the future of
Iraq as a democracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other telling findings of the survey were that an
overwhelming
>>>>>> majority of Iraqis, 71 percent (and that figure
rises to 81 percent
>>>>>> if the Kurdish areas in the north are excluded),
now see the US-led
>>>>>> coalition as an occupying force and not as
liberators. USA Today
>>>>>> reports that a solid majority, almost 60 percent,
want the US and its
>>>>>> allies to leave immediately, even if it means the
security situation
>>>>>> will deteriorate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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