From: Attila 

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:39:15 -0400, stumper 
in alt.abortion with message-id
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>Attila < wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:45:42 -0400, stumper  in
>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:02:20 -0400, stumper
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>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it's obvious that "delusions are harmful,"
>>>>>>> why is it impossible that "prayers are
answered"?
>>>>>> Prove any prayer has ever been answered.  Your
proof, of course, must
>>>>>> exclude any other possible explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I pray that I like to feel better here and now.
>>>>> I feel much better already.
>>>> I am still waiting for your proof that you in fact *do* feel better,
>>>> and that, if so, no other possible explanation can exist.
>>>>
>>> I just redefined 'prayer' to make it self-evident.
>>> No other explanation is required.
>>
>> Yes, it is.  Self-evident is not proof.
>>
>>> What makes you think God's existence needs to be proved?
>>
>> If anything exists it can be proven to exist, and presenting something
>> as if it actually exists requires support for that position.
>>
>> If you assert something exists you must support that assertion or
>> admit you make assertions you cannot support, and thereby proving your
>> statements should be viewed with suspicion.
>>
>>> Do you have any idea since when we need to do that?
>>
>> It needs to be done anytime an assertion is made and then challenged.
>> I so challenge any assertion that a god exists, has ever done
>> anything, or has any direct effect on reality.
>>
>> --
>> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>>
>
>
>When someone say "I follow my conscience,"
>do you usually ask him to prove its existence?

Nonsense.  No one presents a conscience as if it is something that can
directly affect the real world or has any existence other than as a
concept.

Do you contend that a god only exists as a concept and has no existence in
the real world and cannot directly affect it?

>
>When someone say "I feel lucky today,"
>do you usually ask him to prove luck's existence?

If he contends luck has an actual existence other than as  a concept and
can directly affect the real world, yes.

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