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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Mark
date: 2005-10-25 19:26:30
subject: Re: Wilson`s Credibility - The Debate

From: "Mark" 

LOL, no merely pointing out that we have no idea how the questions were
asked, nor to whom, so the results aren't very reliable. i.e. Do you want a
million dollars? Yes!! Do you want a million dollars if you have to give up
your legs? There'd still be some, maybe even quite a few affirmatives, but
it'd no longer be 100%. 


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Why would you add Saddam into the leave immediately question?  Skewing the
> poll with Bushian logic?
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>I wonder how the results would go if the question were phrased:
"The U.S.
>>is leaving tomorrow and releasing Saddam to his primary palace with a
>>battalion of his former loyal troops, do you still want them to leave?
>>Yes___ No___
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:435ead69$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:435ea773$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>  > "...for example saying that "82 per cent
are "strongly opposed" to
>>>> the presence of coalition troops" is a pretty much
tricky sentence
>>>> because while I do think that maybe even 90% of the people in any
>>>> country do not want foreign troops on their land, it
remains important
>>>> to state whether a time interval was included in the
question or not.
>>>> If not, then the question was designed to give a
misleading result and
>>>> if there was one, then it should have appeared along with
the results.
>>>>
>>>> I mean it could be true or close to the truth that 82% of
Iraqis do not
>>>> want the troops to stay indefinitely but if it was meant to say that
>>>> 82% want the troops to leave now then I assure you that the results
>>>> have been forged. Moreover, there are some contradictions among the
>>>> results, look at this one closely "43 per cent of
Iraqis believe
>>>> conditions for peace and stability have worsened"
this means that 57%
>>>> of the answers either indicated that stability and peace
have improved
>>>> or they have not changed ..."
>>>>
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/10/polls-can-we-rely-on-them.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Last year 71% wished us to leave immediately -  81% if the Kurds were
>>> excluded so it doesn't look like those numbers have changed.  I'll admit
>>> I am surprised at the number that supposedly supports attacks as way
>>> more Iraqis are hurt than coalition forces
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0429/dailyUpdate.html
>>>
>>> To get a sense of what Iraqis were thinking a year after the overthrow
>>> of former dictator Saddam Hussein, researchers for the Gallup
>>> Organization, working with funding from CNN and USA Today, sat down with
>>> 3444 Iraqis in March and early April (before the latest outbreaks of
>>> violence). They conducted interviews that lasted as long as 70 minutes
>>> (often at great personal risk). And what they found does not bode well
>>> in the short-term for the US and its allies in Iraq, although it may
>>> bode well for the future of Iraq as a democracy
>>>
>>> Other telling findings of the survey were that an overwhelming majority
>>> of Iraqis, 71 percent (and that figure rises to 81 percent if the
>>> Kurdish areas in the north are excluded), now see the US-led coalition
>>> as an occupying force and not as liberators. USA Today reports that a
>>> solid majority, almost 60 percent, want the US and its allies to leave
>>> immediately, even if it means the security situation will deteriorate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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