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to: Mark
from: Rich Gauszka
date: 2005-10-26 22:20:24
subject: Re: Cheney: Looking for the torture vote?

From: "Rich Gauszka" 

The point is that we shouldn't reduce ourselves to the barbarism we
condemn. Doing so makes us no better than those we rail against.


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:43603435$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> You miss my point too. I'm merely saying that the *argument* that our own
> troops will meet with greater torture because we don't follow the GC, is
> specious. Our POWs will be tortured and beheaded regardless.
>
> This does not mean that I advocate not following the GC where appropriate.
> Nor does it mean that when not following the GC because it doesn't apply,
> translates to torture of POWs.
>
>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
> news:43603199{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> You miss my point John, whether we follow it or not, they won't.
>>
>> We're supposed to be better than them...
>>
>>>nor am I for giving those GC considerations to POWs that don't qualify
>>>for them
>>
>> I sure am, it's the right thing to do.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:43601d34$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> You miss my point John, whether we follow it or not, they won't. That's
>>> a fact. So using that argument, that they'll mistreat our POWs because
>>> we don't, as a point for why we should, isn't relevant.
>> I'm not for torture, nor am I for giving those GC considerations to POWs
>>> that don't qualify for them>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>> news:5f60m1hu2optq0mf1b1tcqu5o9jhtvobj2{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:55:22 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Has any other country at any time, in any war, ever
followed the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions in their treatment of our prisoners of war? Has any
>>>>>stateless
>>>>>terrorist group ever done so? Do you really think if we
hire bi-planes
>>>>>to
>>>>>tow banners across the world that we absolutely follow the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions in all cases, even when not warranted, that
any less heads
>>>>>will
>>>>>be cut off on video?
>>>>
>>>> That's irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> We are signatories to the Geneva Convention.  We, the
United States of
>>>> America, are either a principled nation whose word can be trusted or
>>>> we are liars and cheats.
>>>>
>>>> Which do you prefer we be?
>>>>
>>>>>the reasoning above is simply faulty
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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