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to: Mark
from: Robert Comer
date: 2005-10-26 22:15:46
subject: Re: Cheney: Looking for the torture vote?

From: "Robert Comer" 

> You miss my point too. I'm merely saying that the *argument* that our own
> troops will meet with greater torture because we don't follow the GC, is
> specious. Our POWs will be tortured and beheaded regardless.

I suspect that it's the exact opposite. Sure, some will happen since we
aren't dealing with a central authority and mob mentality things just
happen, but if we use torture, it's only going to ferment more from people
that might not have used torture before.

--
Bob Comer


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:43603435$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> You miss my point too. I'm merely saying that the *argument* that our own
> troops will meet with greater torture because we don't follow the GC, is
> specious. Our POWs will be tortured and beheaded regardless.
>
> This does not mean that I advocate not following the GC where appropriate.
> Nor does it mean that when not following the GC because it doesn't apply,
> translates to torture of POWs.
>
>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
> news:43603199{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> You miss my point John, whether we follow it or not, they won't.
>>
>> We're supposed to be better than them...
>>
>>>nor am I for giving those GC considerations to POWs that don't qualify
>>>for them
>>
>> I sure am, it's the right thing to do.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:43601d34$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> You miss my point John, whether we follow it or not, they won't. That's
>>> a fact. So using that argument, that they'll mistreat our POWs because
>>> we don't, as a point for why we should, isn't relevant.
>> I'm not for torture, nor am I for giving those GC considerations to POWs
>>> that don't qualify for them>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>> news:5f60m1hu2optq0mf1b1tcqu5o9jhtvobj2{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:55:22 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Has any other country at any time, in any war, ever
followed the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions in their treatment of our prisoners of war? Has any
>>>>>stateless
>>>>>terrorist group ever done so? Do you really think if we
hire bi-planes
>>>>>to
>>>>>tow banners across the world that we absolutely follow the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions in all cases, even when not warranted, that
any less heads
>>>>>will
>>>>>be cut off on video?
>>>>
>>>> That's irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> We are signatories to the Geneva Convention.  We, the
United States of
>>>> America, are either a principled nation whose word can be trusted or
>>>> we are liars and cheats.
>>>>
>>>> Which do you prefer we be?
>>>>
>>>>>the reasoning above is simply faulty
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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