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 >   I will give your advice here a try and see what happens.  Since I am
 >   one of the "new guys" and am still trying to learn how to fly there is
 >   not too many idea's I can come up with for the new pilots.  I would
 >   love to fly a Club 20 race, a pilion race, etc, but I do not have the
 >   experience needed.  There are only a handful of experienced pilots and
 >   us "new pilots" feel like there is not much the club can offer to us.
 >   The older pilots just want to be left a lone and fly is how many of us
 >   feel......
What you may have to do is see if the older pilots will provide the advice 
and wisdom if you offer to do the labor.  Let them know you want to learn 
how to do these things so the club can have more of them.  That should get 
their cooperation for a couple of events so you can learn then take over.  
Ideas are limited only by imagination and the willingness of someone to try 
it.
 > 
 >   I have suggested a contest day, where two or three pilots would
 >   judge planes in different catagories, I suggested a fun fly day, and a
 >   training day where one or two pilots would sit down and go over all
 >   kinds of stuff answering questions and anything else.  All of these I
 >   brought up at one of the club meetings and since there were only 5
 >   members present it was suppose to be brought up at the next meeting.
 >   Well, that was back in August 95 and since then I am now working
 >   second shift so I cannot go to the meetings since they are on a
 >   Tuesday night.  I tried to even have them change the meeting day to a
 >   Saturday or Sunday where more members could possible attend and I was
 >   never given a responce to that...
Hard to say why.  Perhaps just bluntly asking the question "does anyone give
a hoot about having any club activities such as fun flies?"  The core sounds
small and they may not have accepted the idea that you are a permanent 
member.  They see the same group year after year and others that come and go
and figure many of you will go soon.  They may not realize that they are 
part of the reason.  Some hard questions may have to be asked of these guys.
 > 
 >   Just guess it makes me feel like why should I even fly planes when the
 >   local club will not give me any support.  I could switch to cars and
 >   go any where and drive them around.  Guess it boils down to that I
 >   have always wanted to fly them...  Now I just need a big open field
 >   out my back door so I can fly there......
 
Let them know how you feel.  Sound like they're in a rut and need someone to
get them out because they don't know they're even in it.              
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