From: "Rich Gauszka" 

Nope. I'm saying that we should learn from history. Fables are fine for
children but at some time adults should be able to go beyond that.
Festivals/Celebrations/Worship have changed throughout the centuries. To
make believe as an adult that they are sacrosanct , inviolate  and
unchanging  is to ignore history


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> So what you're saying is kids aren't allowed to be kids, we must
> indoctrinate them from birth with all that is true, according to the ACLU,
> or some other version? Somehow I made it through that false Santa, I
> managed to collect Easter eggs, and I lived, wow, but my own kids and
> grandkids must be taught the truth according to [insert your favorite
> indoctrination zealot] to "save" them  teach their kids without obfuscation by those that wish to impart their
> version of the truth on a family>
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:436ad93a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>> Hmm, I'm thinking more along the lines of (and this has nothing to do
>>> with the Wilson's in particular):
>>>
>>> *Santa Claus is a jolly guy that brings you presents, don't worry about
>>> Jesus, you're just a kid, you can decide later what you believe and if
>>> you're lucky you can express those feelings without the f'ing ACLU
>>> taking you to court.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hey let's hijack a pagan middle of winter festival for this new start-up
>> sect called Christians. Christ wasn't really born at this time but we'll
>> just pretend.
>>
>>
>>> *Halloween is a fun time where you get lots of candy and maybe get
>>> scared of someone in a costume, you don't need to worry about Devil
>>> Worshipers right now, in fact you don't ever have to worry about them,
>>> as they're entitled to worship as they see fit; the ACLU will see to it,
>>> for them, but they'll fight your rights to their last dollar.
>>
>>
>> Let's take a 2000 year old Celtic festival, have the Pope create a
>> Christian All Saints day and merge the two
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *Easter is for egg hunts and it's okay if they're dyed pink and blue,
>>> and don't worry about rising from the dead, you're a kid. Later you can
>>> decide what you believe, but remember, you must not express that
>>> feeling, or the ACLU will sue you.
>>>
>>
>> Let's take the Pagan worship of Attis used to celebrate death and rebirth
>> and graft those stories onto early   Christianity so that Christian
>> theology will be acceptable to the majority Pagans..
>>
>>
>>
>>> *July 4th is for fireworks and flags and appreciation of your country,
>>> but just enjoy the fireworks and don't worry about the country until
>>> you're older, be a kid and enjoy. Later you can decide if the country is
>>> really all that, or if it should abdicate its future to the f'ing UN.
>>
>>
>> your VP decided he had 'better things to do than serve' . The kids will
>> just emulate Cheney
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *Thanksgiving is for family time in appreciation of the bounty provided
>>> by our country that we fought long and hard for, enjoy your turkey, or
>>> just eat the pumpkin pie. Later you can decide whether you accept the
>>> indoctrination attempts to show how bad your ancestors were for fighting
>>> the Indians.
>>>
>>
>> Ah Manifest Destiny rears it's head
>>
>>
>>> *Columbus Day is for building your imagination about explorers on small
>>> boats sailing into the unknown, later you can decide if exploration is
>>> really exploitation, but if you listen to the morons you'll be living in
>>> the past as they do -- don't make that mistake.
>>>
>>
>> Let's alter history. Pretend Columbus was one of the few that knew the
>> world was round and that he wasn't  trying to find a westward passage to
>> the Orient. Let him name the natives Indians because the Bahamas were
>> obviously in India. Let's then send Cortez and others to  enslave the
>> local populace for their gold and riches and destroy their civilizations.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:436acb0d{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Ah - the neocon re-education camps?  Where the key
concepts of neocon
>>>> life are taught
>>>>
>>>> *Science is a evil
>>>> *Nonconformity is evil
>>>> *Torture is good for the soul
>>>> *God loves us all( except for unbelievers who are evil )
>>>> *Evil should be exterminated
>>>> *Exterminate Exterminate Exterminate
>>>>
>>>> Or is that the DALEK re-education camp? The two are so similar I
>>>> sometimes get them confused
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>>>> news:436ab9d9{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I forgot to add that after Wilson and his bitch wife
are imprisoned
>>>>>that
>>>>> their kids should be taken by the state and placed in
foster care for
>>>>> re-education.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:436ab87d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> So Joe Wilson lying about his mission, who sent
him, what he found
>>>>>> out,
>>>>> all
>>>>>> for 15 minutes of infamy isn't media manipulation,
but attempting to
>>>>>> get
>>>>> the
>>>>>> truth out that's manipulation to you.   Riiigggghhhhttttt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Wilson is a liar and self aggrandizing idiot
who was part of a
>>>>>> rogue
>>>>> CIA
>>>>>> plot to perpetrate a bloodless coup, he should be
imprisoned along
>>>>>> with
>>>>> his
>>>>>> traitorous wife and a few of her superiors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Millions of people are writing their senators demanding a
>>>>>> senatorial/criminal investigation into Wilson,
Plame, and parts of
>>>>>> the
>>>>> CIA.
>>>>>> They need to be hauled in, put under oath, and
scrutinized against
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> statement they have ever made in and outside of
the CIA, under oath
>>>>>> statements of all they claimed to speak to for the
past 2 years
>>>>>> related to
>>>>>> their possible crimes.  I just hope their memories
are perfect, and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> don't forget something and get indicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Cuccia"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1bblm19necc3egimr5smkag2jokakbj0e4{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>> > It isn't irony, it is a concerted effort on
the part of the Bush
>>>>>> > administration to manipulate and use the same
media the excoriate
>>>>>> > as
>>>>>> > "liberal" on a daily basis.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Some time back there was a discussion in
which I claimed (and still
>>>>>> > do) that today's Republican Party controlled
the political debate
>>>>>> > in
>>>>>> > this country.  This type of media
manipulation is exactly what I
>>>>>> > meant.   In this case the Bush Administration
used the media (in
>>>>>> > concert with perjury and obstruction of
justice) to maintain their
>>>>>> > electoral popularity until after the Boy
Wonder was re-elected.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Since then the veil has been lifted , which
is why Bush has lost
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > support of moderates, independents,and
crossover Democrats, and is
>>>>>> > left with the 30-something percent of the
population that are
>>>>>> > yellow-dog-type Republicans.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bush's re-election was the direct result of
criminal actions
>>>>>> > perpetrated by his lieutenants.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:19:56 -0500, Robert Comer
>>>>>> >  wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >The irony is deafening. 
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >- Bob Comer
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >Rich Gauszka wrote:
>>>>>> > >> So the MSM did rig the elction?
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-scheer1nov01,1,3380519.colum
n?ctrack=1&cset=true
>>>>>> > >> What Judy forgot: Your right to know
>>>>>> > >> THE MOST intriguing revelation of
Special Prosecutor Patrick J.
>>>>>> Fitzgerald's
>>>>>> > >> news conference last week was his
assertion that he would have
>>>>>> presented his
>>>>>> > >> indictment of I. Lewis
"Scooter" Libby a year ago if not for the
>>>>>> > >> intransigence of reporters who
refused to testify before the
>>>>>> > >> grand
>>>>>> jury. He
>>>>>> > >> said that without that delay,
"we would have been here in
>>>>>> > >> October
>>>>> 2004
>>>>>> > >> instead of October 2005."
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Had that been the case, John Kerry
probably would be president
>>>>>> > >> of the
>>>>>> United
>>>>>> > >> States today.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> .....
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> INSTEAD OF confronting Libby for
trying to mislead reporters,
>>>>>> > >> Miller
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> > >> nothing to expose his efforts to
smear a former ambassador for
>>>>> raising
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> > >> questions. At the very least, she
should have written a story
>>>>>> > >> stating
>>>>>> that a
>>>>>> > >> White House official was planting
information to disparage a
>>>>>> > >> critic
>>>>> of
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> > >> war policy. Miller couldn't do that
because she had acceded to
>>>>> Libby's
>>>>>> > >> demand that his White House
connection be concealed in any
>>>>>> > >> articles
>>>>> she
>>>>>> > >> wrote, by identifying him as a
"former [Capitol] Hill staffer."
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> This case was never about protecting
government sources who risk
>>>>> their
>>>>>> > >> careers by telling the truth, but
rather about punishing those
>>>>>> > >> like
>>>>>> Wilson
>>>>>> > >> who do. That Miller cared far more
about protecting someone who
>>>>> abused
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> > >> power as the vice president's chief
of staff than about
>>>>>> > >> protecting
>>>>> the
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> > >> of Wilson to speak truth to power
says volumes about her
>>>>>> > >> priorities.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> That the New York Times again
editorialized last week in defense
>>>>>> > >> of
>>>>> its
>>>>>> > >> knee-jerk support of Miller, even
after knowing she deceived her
>>>>>> editors, is
>>>>>> > >> a startling indication that even
some of our most respected
>>>>>> > >> media
>>>>> leade
>>>>>> rs
>>>>>> > >> still are missing the point.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> The 1st Amendment protection is not
a license for mischief on
>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > >> journalists eager to do the
government's bidding. To the
>>>>>> > >> contrary, it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> > >> conceived by the founders to prevent
government from subverting
>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> > >> press in an effort to misinform the
public. Unfortunately, that
>>>>>> > >> is
>>>>>> precisely
>>>>>> > >> what occurred here.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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