RM> Science does not claim anything to be FACTUAL or TRUE, science is only
 RM> out to "describe" reality.  That is where most of the confusion comes
 RM> from with the theist population.  A theory merely describes reality and
 RM> makes predictions, when it fails to describe reality or make predictions
 RM> then the theory must be changed or a new one put in it's place.  As an
 RM> example: Newton's laws of gravitation described how bodies behaved in a
 RM> gravitational field, it was useful for it made predictions.  But, along
 RM> came Einstein with his relativity theory because Newton's equations
 RM> failed to describe the motion of Mercury's orbit.  Einstein's equations
 RM> were more complex and described Mercury's orbit.  It does not mean that
 RM> Newton's equations were "wrong", but rather useful to describe an aspect
 RM> of reality,... up to a point.  If one used both Newton's and Einstein's
 RM> equations to describe how an apple falls, both will derive the same
 RM> answer.  Neither are FACTUAL, or TRUE... but both are useful to describe
 RM> an aspect of reality.  Do you understand?
 SM> Creation theory if you will is based on biblical knowledge which is
 SM> recognized by "believers" as the Word of God, i.e. truth, and supercedes
 SM> man's words. Creationism, at least in my mind, has just as much,
 SM> actually more, validity as evolution
 RM> That is it, isn't it,... it is a matter of personal taste.  My point was
 RM> that the two approaches are based on different premises and are
 RM> ineffective in each other's domain, therefore the two should not be
 RM> combined for that would create more problems then it solves.
Must salute your astuteness in summarizing the truth in such a brief
paragraph.  Mixing science and myth can do nothing but destroy the legitimacy
each has in its proper domain in man's consciousness and approach to
understanding the world and himself.  When we attempt to mythicize science
then myth become a "lie" and when we attempt to apply science to the myth we
get such gross and wierd undertakings as searching for a literal "ark" or an
equally literal "Atlantis."  When I hear Arthur Sullivan's _The Lost Chord_ I
don't ask whether it is "true" or "false" but enter into the beauty out of
tragedy of an artist creating a marvelous piece of music while grieving for a
deceased, beloved brother.  It is science that must create the musical
instrument necessary for the rendition as well as the space vehicle on which
a recording of it might be carried to Mars one day.
This endless debate, mostly carried on by non-scientist as to the truth or
falsity of "creationism" vs "evolutionism" evidently has an appeal for many
that astonishes me. Making an ISM of either further compounds the
rediculousness of juxtaposing the myth of creation (It can ONLY be a myth as
none of us (even those as old (grin) as I am) were around to experience it in
some mythical "beginning) with the theory of evolution useful in some phases
of science.  One wonders what the gain is for either side in actually
debating the issue if one side or the other should "win!!"
Sincerely, Frank
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