From: stumper 

Attila < wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:39:15 -0400, stumper  in
> alt.abortion with message-id
>  wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:45:42 -0400, stumper
 in
>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:02:20 -0400, stumper
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>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it's obvious that "delusions are
harmful,"
>>>>>>>> why is it impossible that "prayers
are answered"?
>>>>>>> Prove any prayer has ever been answered.  Your
proof, of course, must
>>>>>>> exclude any other possible explanation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I pray that I like to feel better here and now.
>>>>>> I feel much better already.
>>>>> I am still waiting for your proof that you in fact
*do* feel better,
>>>>> and that, if so, no other possible explanation can exist.
>>>>>
>>>> I just redefined 'prayer' to make it self-evident.
>>>> No other explanation is required.
>>> Yes, it is.  Self-evident is not proof.
>>>
>>>> What makes you think God's existence needs to be proved?
>>> If anything exists it can be proven to exist, and presenting something
>>> as if it actually exists requires support for that position.
>>>
>>> If you assert something exists you must support that assertion or
>>> admit you make assertions you cannot support, and thereby proving your
>>> statements should be viewed with suspicion.
>>>
>>>> Do you have any idea since when we need to do that?
>>> It needs to be done anytime an assertion is made and then challenged.
>>> I so challenge any assertion that a god exists, has ever done
>>> anything, or has any direct effect on reality.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>>>
>>
>> When someone say "I follow my conscience,"
>> do you usually ask him to prove its existence?
>
> Nonsense.  No one presents a conscience as if it is something that can
> directly affect the real world or has any existence other than as a
> concept.
>
> Do you contend that a god only exists as a concept and has no
> existence in the real world and cannot directly affect it?
>

I just don't know.
How about you?

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~Stumper

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