-=> Quoting Gerry Normandeau to William Elliot <=-
 GN> Imperial Klingon Vessel Nexis decloaking!
 
 >>> Richard Meic on Time and Again
 
 RM> The nature of time/space seems to contradict any theory of a beginning
 RM> to the universe.  Unless your the kind that would cop out and state
 RM> that time/space was made to _look_ that way .
 WE> Ancient universe:  Open space/time finite in extent, hence edges to
 WE> the world and a beginning or creation of time.
 
 WE> Newtonian universe:  Open space/time infinite in extent, hence no
 WE> beginning nor end but just infinite extension.
 
 WE> Modern universe.  Closed bounded space/time finite in extent and
 WE> without edges, thus extension in any direction will eventually return.
 WE>  Hence cyclic time.
 
 WE> Psychological universe.  My awareness of time extends backwards to my
 WE> birth and forwards to now with some glimpses beyond.
 
 WE> Conclusion:  time without beginning and end can be effected two ways; 
 WE> infinite time that always was and always will be;  cyclic time that
 WE> continually repeats. ... In no time at all time began for its time had
 WE> come.
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 Gerry, liking what you have said in general, PFMJILT and allow me a
 thought or two, ok?
 GN> Personaly I like the thought that time is only a concept that man has
 GN> created to explain the mysteries of memory. 
 
 That makes both of us and which I have tried to convey without much
 success!  :)
 GN> Time does not exist in this universe.  
 
 Never has and never will IMHO!  :)
 GN> All things are simply movement through space. 
 
 A very astute observation my friend!  :)
 GN> All mater is mearly changing form and location. 
 
 I believe that you mean matter, however, if you are referring to "basic
 created matter", do you truly mean that it changes form?
 GN> Now if want to use the argument of
 GN> the speed of light and time dilation. The old theory where there are
 GN> two brothers one goes off at the speed of light and comes back only
 GN> aged acouple of years while his brother has aged 100 years. The brother
 GN> going the speed of light gains more  mass and that slows time. This to
 GN> me is not a temporal reaction it is  the effect of gravity on the
 GN> subatomic particals. They mearly move through space at a diferent rate
 GN> than the rest of the universe. This is a phisical phenomena not a
 GN> tempral one.  
 
 In as much as this is mere speculation IMHO, will not comment on it here!
 GN> Although I find is rather dificult to express my oinion
 GN> using a language based on time (Pasttence, present, future tence).
 
 Expressing any opinion based on past, present and future is a most
 difficult task IMHO!  For in reality, there is only the moment IMHO!
 GN> Einstine said that time and space are so intertwined they are
 GN> vertually one. Why not just drop the time and keep the space?
 HeeHee, how can we drop what does not exist and since when do we
 have any choice as to whether or not we keep space or space keeps
 us?  :)
 As one joker said to the other, at least that makes a pair of us!  :)
Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence.......
... NOW what have I dun went and broke?  :'(
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