From: "Robert Comer" 

LOL!

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Bob Comer


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Finding enough matter for a Big Crunch is as problematic as Bushies
> looking for WMDs in Iraq 
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> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
> news:8c9an11tk7j6fuunb3r66rpr674lcti1ll{at}4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:55:28 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>>news:mr6an153c8jg47qdaa644gnk1t8v6m344l{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:47:33 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How could it exist otherwise?
>>>>
>>>> How could God exist otherwise?  That is, suppose the universe *is*
>>>> God?  That would help reconcile physics with metaphysics,
and ID with
>>>> evolution (although one could certainly question the IQ of the
>>>> Designer).  Once you stop thinking of God as something
external to the
>>>> universe, then an eternal universe isn't so unthinkable.
>>>>
>>>>>It seems like a scientific copout to say that it's just
always been
>>>>>there,
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't saying, I was just asking why you though there had to be a
>>>> "first" universe.  Eternity goes both ways.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought eternity ( time ) started at the Big Bang along with all the
>>>other
>>>dimensions ( 11 or 26  with String Theory? )
>>
>> Well, by definition eternity doesn't start, but who really knows? What
>> if our Big Bang was just the other side of a Big Crunch, i.e, a closed
>> universe that's been expanding and contracting forever?
>>
>>>Depending on one's point of view one can easily substitute 'God' for
>>>something else in the paragraph below.
>>>
>>>
>>>Leon Lederman  'The God Particle' 1st paragraph
>>>  In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a
>>>nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound.
>>>Yet
>>>the laws of nature were in place and this curious vacuum held potential.
>>>A
>>>story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the
>>>universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very
>>>beginnings--none,
>>>zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the
>>>mature
>>>age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short
>>>time
>>>after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the
>>>birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of
>>>philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning.
>>>
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