From: Ellen K. 

You are anthropomorphizing G-d... making Him just like a person only more. 
 While it is a normal human tendency to explain things in human
terms, in this case it is wrong.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:39:20 +0000, Adam
 wrote in message
:

>Gary Britt wrote:
>
>> No, God always was.  The beginning and the end.
>>
>
>So your own argument breaks down irretrievably.
>
>Either something very complex etc requires an ID or it doesn't & God is
>the most complex of all given he is omnipresent & omnipotent.
>
>Thus it follows that vastly complex things do not require an ID at all
>as you are saying that God did not require one.
>
>Adam
>
>
>> Gary
>>
>> "Adam"
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote in
>> message news:4372f66e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>>>Geo wrote:
>>>
>>>>No, one is a religious argument that starts out from the
assumption that
>>
>> you
>>
>>>>know or at least that someone knows, the other is a quest
to understand
>>
>> what
>>
>>>>nobody knows.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Also the whole argument falls down on the basis that the most complex
>>>thing of all (i.e. the ID it/him/herself) apparantly did just
>>>spontaneously come into being.
>>>
>>>Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>>Geo.
>>>>
>>>>"Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>>>>news:437270d4{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yes it is a religious argument, but so is the theory of
evolution from
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>big bang to modern man.  They are both religions not
scientific fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tony Williams"  wrote
in message
>>>>>news:43726e0e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You see the point though. It's always possible to
back up one meta
>>
>> level
>>
>>>>>>and say that's where the Intelligent Designer put a
hand on the wheel.
>>>>>>It's a religious argument, not a scientific one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not if the unseen hand was smart enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Tony Williams"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:43726920$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It might have been an intelligent hand
that created gravity and the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>laws of the universe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>%%% COSMOS RUNTIME SYSTEM %%%
>>>>>>>>%%% FATAL ERROR %%%
>>>>>>>>%%% INFINITE RECURSION DETECTED AT LINE 6060842 %%%
>>>>>>>>%%% STOP %%%
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

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