From: Ellen K. 

No, G-d is above time, i.e. time was also created by Him.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:29:28 +0000, Adam
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote in
message :

>Geo wrote:
>> No, one is a religious argument that starts out from the assumption that you
>> know or at least that someone knows, the other is a quest to understand what
>> nobody knows.
>>
>
>Also the whole argument falls down on the basis that the most complex
>thing of all (i.e. the ID it/him/herself) apparantly did just
>spontaneously come into being.
>
>Adam
>
>> Geo.
>>
>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>> news:437270d4{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>>>Yes it is a religious argument, but so is the theory of
evolution from the
>>>big bang to modern man.  They are both religions not scientific fact.
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>"Tony Williams"  wrote in message
>>>news:43726e0e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>>>You see the point though. It's always possible to back up
one meta level
>>>>and say that's where the Intelligent Designer put a hand on
the wheel.
>>>>It's a religious argument, not a scientific one.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not if the unseen hand was smart enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tony Williams"  wrote
in message
>>>>>news:43726920$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It might have been an intelligent hand that
created gravity and the
>>>>>
>>>>>other
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>laws of the universe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>%%% COSMOS RUNTIME SYSTEM %%%
>>>>>>%%% FATAL ERROR %%%
>>>>>>%%% INFINITE RECURSION DETECTED AT LINE 6060842 %%%
>>>>>>%%% STOP %%%
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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