From: "Robert Comer" 

> I'm not sure how far we can push back in our attempt to discover 'first
> cause' after that it's all a leap of faith

I agree, but I don't have a problem with that.  I freely acknowledge my
religious beliefs about the beginning are a leap of faith, but I expect the
current theorists about origin to do the same...

--
Bob Comer


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> I'm in agreement with you faith leap and all.
>
> I'm not sure how far we can push back in our attempt to discover 'first
> cause' after that it's all a leap of faith
>
>
> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
> news:4374bc26{at}w3.nls.net...
>> That's actually pretty interesting, but still, where did
"space" and why
>> was it expanding so rapidly?  And what caused the curvatures in the
>> "spacetime foam?"
>>
>> Still the same argument (and leap of faith) to me.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:4374b26b{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Well there was the gigantic vacuum fluctuation ( God using a Hoover ? )
>>>
>>> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
>>> Once our minds accept the mutability of matter and the new idea of the
>>> vacuum, we can speculate on the origin of the biggest thing we know -
>>> the universe. Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of
>>> nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the
>>> big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this
>>> possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>> news:4374aeb5{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> How could it exist otherwise?
>>>>
>>>> It seems like a scientific copout to say that it's just always been
>>>> there, no scientifically verifiable proof, just a leap of
faith. (sound
>>>> familiar? )
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>>> news:bl89n1926kqu5n3kvgsu09uq8o5man3jpo{at}4ax.com...
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>There had to be something to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Bob Comer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John Cuccia" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>news:o658n1lofjau2ihqj3enucgo54riposng6{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:41:27 -0500,
"Robert Comer"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, that's just the way it was first
described, then they
>>>>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>>>>> scalar
>>>>>>>>> fields could allow universes to bubble
off each other and now
>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>> probably some new theory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still the same, where did the first
universe come from -- it had to
>>>>>>>>be a
>>>>>>>>big
>>>>>>>>bang type event if you go by that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who says there was a first universe?
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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