From: "Robert Comer" 

That's actually pretty interesting, but still, where did "space"
and why was it expanding so rapidly?  And what caused the curvatures in the
"spacetime foam?"

Still the same argument (and leap of faith) to me.

--
Bob Comer


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Well there was the gigantic vacuum fluctuation ( God using a Hoover ? )
>
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
> Once our minds accept the mutability of matter and the new idea of the
> vacuum, we can speculate on the origin of the biggest thing we know - the
> universe. Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of
> nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big
> bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility.
> (Pagels, 1982, 247)
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> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
> news:4374aeb5{at}w3.nls.net...
>> How could it exist otherwise?
>>
>> It seems like a scientific copout to say that it's just always been
>> there, no scientifically verifiable proof, just a leap of faith. (sound
>> familiar? )
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>> news:bl89n1926kqu5n3kvgsu09uq8o5man3jpo{at}4ax.com...
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>There had to be something to begin with.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>>>news:o658n1lofjau2ihqj3enucgo54riposng6{at}4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:41:27 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that's just the way it was first
described, then they suggested
>>>>>>> scalar
>>>>>>> fields could allow universes to bubble off
each other and now there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> probably some new theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still the same, where did the first universe come
from -- it had to be
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>big
>>>>>>bang type event if you go by that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who says there was a first universe?
>>>>
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