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from: cactus
date: 2007-03-25 00:01:00
subject: Re: Was Pope Pius XII Soft on Naziism?

From: cactus 

duke wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2007 13:33:56 -0700, "*Anarcissie*"
 wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 4:03 pm, duke  wrote:
>>> On 14 Mar 2007 12:37:19 -0700, "*Anarcissie*"
 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now that that's out of the way, we can discuss what S.o.T. wants
>>>> us to discuss: was Pope Pius XII soft on Naziism?  For instance,
>>>> we can compare his actions versus the Nazis with those versus
>>>> the Communists (excommunication).
>>> Besides, the Jews said "thank you so much".
>>>
>>> duke, American-American
>>> *****
>>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>>> Pope Paul VI
>>> *****
>>
>> The question is for what, exactly?  Compare the behavior of
>> Pope Pius XII with his contemporaries the Metropolitan Bishops
>> Stefan and Kiril of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church.
>
> Te answer is "exactly for all that he did to protect them from
Hitler".  To
do
> more would have brought the anger of Hitler more so down on the Jews.

This is nonsense. If he did not do all that he could, he is complicit with
the nazis. Polish peasants risked everything they had to shelter one or two
Jews or a family. Many, many other ordinary people did as well, including
priests and nuns, at great personal risk. They are among the righteous
gentiles, many of whom are recognized and honored for what they did. I do
not see Pius XII among those, and there is a reason. He did not do what he
could, he took no risks, and he was silent on the subject.

Oskar Schindler, Chiune Sugihara and Raoul Wallenberg did far more, each
paying a significant personal price for their courage, initiative, and
humane compassion. Pius XII is not one of those, and there is a reason. He
did not do what he could, he took no risks, and he was silent on the
subject.  There is no record of Jews that he saved, which contrasts starkly
with the thousand who attested to having been saved by those three.

>
> So the Jews say.

We don't.

>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

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