From: "Robert Comer" 

I'm not really advocating ID here, while I think that's the way everything
worked, it's based on my religious beliefs, not science  -- that's not what
I'm arguing about.

> http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html discusses observed
> speciation, starting with a discussion of what 'species' means.

Hybridizing isn't something I thought about her, and could be a real sign
of speciation, but, of course, you need two species to crossbreed to begin
with. 

Most of the rest are muddling be us, but interesting anyway...

--
Bob Comer


"Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
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> http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html discusses observed
> speciation, starting with a discussion of what 'species' means.
>
> Contrast the comprehensiveness with
> http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/deception.html#TalkOrigins
>
> What's sad about the ID/creationist advocacy is that there is real science
> to do in measuring design but they aren't interested in doing it. Imagine
> we found a lifeform on Mars, a good question to be able to answer would be
> whether it were natural or artificial. You can expect the answers to come
> from conventional biology and physics rather than the ID crowd.
>
> Paul
>
> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
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>>> One method is to study animals that have spread over a large geographic
>>> area (where "large area" means "much greater
than an individual animal
>>> travels in their lifetime").
>>
>> Sorry, that only talks probabilities, not actually observing evolution in
>> action.
>>
>>> Another is to observe lifeforms where generations are measured in
>>> minutes,
>>> not years.
>>
>> We haven't observed something as dramatic as a species transition at even
>> that level yet without genetic muddling on our part, and without that,
>> it's still all theory, not fact, and you have to believe it's true.
>> (btw, I do believe evolution exists, that's not my argument.)
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>
>

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