From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Ellen K. wrote:
> No, G-d is above time, i.e. time was also created by Him.
>

Ah right. What a usefull simplisticism.

Nice & circular.

Adam

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:29:28 +0000, Adam
> <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote in
> message :
>
>
>>Geo wrote:
>>
>>>No, one is a religious argument that starts out from the
assumption that you
>>>know or at least that someone knows, the other is a quest to
understand what
>>>nobody knows.
>>>
>>
>>Also the whole argument falls down on the basis that the most complex
>>thing of all (i.e. the ID it/him/herself) apparantly did just
>>spontaneously come into being.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>>Geo.
>>>
>>>"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>>>news:437270d4{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes it is a religious argument, but so is the theory of
evolution from the
>>>>big bang to modern man.  They are both religions not scientific fact.
>>>>
>>>>Gary
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Williams"  wrote in message
>>>>news:43726e0e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You see the point though. It's always possible to back
up one meta level
>>>>>and say that's where the Intelligent Designer put a
hand on the wheel.
>>>>>It's a religious argument, not a scientific one.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not if the unseen hand was smart enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tony Williams" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43726920$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It might have been an intelligent hand that
created gravity and the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>laws of the universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>%%% COSMOS RUNTIME SYSTEM %%%
>>>>>>>%%% FATAL ERROR %%%
>>>>>>>%%% INFINITE RECURSION DETECTED AT LINE 6060842 %%%
>>>>>>>%%% STOP %%%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>

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