From: Ellen K. 

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:16:53 +0000, Adam
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote in
message :

>Ellen K. wrote:
>> While what you write about Christians is true, they stopped killing
>> people who disagreed with their religious beliefs several hundred years
>> ago.  Muslims are doing it today.
>>
>
>What total crap. Sorry but that is. You are living in land which was
>once "owned" by "heathen savages" who had no title
to the land in part
>because they weren't "Christian" & thus were fair game
for extermination.

I'm glad that you at least didn't blame this on me, since none of my
ancestors were even here at that time.

The true motive of taking over the land of the indigenous people was not
Christianity, it was adventurism.  If the aim was to have a Christian
country, treating the indigenous people with love to demonstrate the value
of Christianity so that they would decide it was a better religion would
have been the way to go.  Attributing it to Christianity as you indicate in
the next paragraph was certainly wrong.
>
>1860'es especially saw a whole range of "they must make way for good
>christian people" statements & actions.
>
>& German soldiers used to wander about with "Gott mit
uns" on their belt
>& to a degree a large part of the last attempt at killing the non
>Christians in europe was directly built upon the attempts before that.
>Same targets, same rationale but just mixed up with race as well as
>religion as religion was a declining force where race was a rising one.
>
While the Christian ideology taught for years ("The Jews killed our
god") played a big part in enabling Nazi activities of racial
extermination appear acceptable, the Nazi ideology itself was explicitly
anti-Christian.

Other Nazi policies such as "euthanasia" of mentally or
physically handicapped individuals don't seem to me to have any basis in
Christian doctrine.
>
>> Not only that, Muslims are even killing other Muslims in the name of
>> Islam, for example the suicide bombing of an Islamic wedding in Jordan
>> the other day.  Gee, how brave and hero-like, to kill a bunch of people
>> at a wedding.
>>
>

>Bit like your pilots you mean? How heroic is it to kill people at a
>wedding from 30,000 feet?

You don't see a moral difference in specifically targeting a wedding?

>
>Have you ever considered that just coz someone says he is doing
>something in the name of a religion, it does not make it so?
>
>Was Rabin's killer a good Jew doing the lord's work?

No, his action was contrary to Jewish religious law.

>
>Adam
>
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:23:31 +0000, Adam
>> <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge"> wrote in
>> message :
>>
>>
>>>>Yes, I have a very dim view of Islam. It is a religion that
brings out
>>>>the worst in people toward non-believers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Much less so than Christianity. Catholics & the Inquisition? the 30
>>>years war? The Massacre of the hugenots? etc.etc. Christianity only got
>>>stomped on by the enlightenment & the rise of secularism.
>>
>>

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