From: "Gary Britt" 

Ellen you are right.  Taking over the land had nothing to do with religion.
Taking over virtually unoccupied land was the inevitable consequence of
what happens when a superior culture and superior technology meets an
inferior culture and inferior technology.  Its societal evolution.

Gary

"Ellen K."  wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:16:53 +0000, Adam
> <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote in
> message :
>
> >Ellen K. wrote:
> >> While what you write about Christians is true, they stopped killing
> >> people who disagreed with their religious beliefs several hundred years
> >> ago.  Muslims are doing it today.
> >>
> >
> >What total crap. Sorry but that is. You are living in land which was
> >once "owned" by "heathen savages" who had no
title to the land in part
> >because they weren't "Christian" & thus were fair
game for extermination.
>
> I'm glad that you at least didn't blame this on me, since none of my
> ancestors were even here at that time.
>
> The true motive of taking over the land of the indigenous people was not
> Christianity, it was adventurism.  If the aim was to have a Christian
> country, treating the indigenous people with love to demonstrate the
> value of Christianity so that they would decide it was a better religion
> would have been the way to go.  Attributing it to Christianity as you
> indicate in the next paragraph was certainly wrong.
> >
> >1860'es especially saw a whole range of "they must make way for good
> >christian people" statements & actions.
> >
> >& German soldiers used to wander about with "Gott mit
uns" on their belt
> >& to a degree a large part of the last attempt at killing the non
> >Christians in europe was directly built upon the attempts before that.
> >Same targets, same rationale but just mixed up with race as well as
> >religion as religion was a declining force where race was a rising one.
> >
> While the Christian ideology taught for years ("The Jews killed our
> god") played a big part in enabling Nazi activities of racial
> extermination appear acceptable, the Nazi ideology itself was explicitly
> anti-Christian.
>
> Other Nazi policies such as "euthanasia" of mentally or physically
> handicapped individuals don't seem to me to have any basis in Christian
> doctrine.
> >
> >> Not only that, Muslims are even killing other Muslims in the name of
> >> Islam, for example the suicide bombing of an Islamic wedding in Jordan
> >> the other day.  Gee, how brave and hero-like, to kill a bunch of people
> >> at a wedding.
> >>
> >
>
> >Bit like your pilots you mean? How heroic is it to kill people at a
> >wedding from 30,000 feet?
>
> You don't see a moral difference in specifically targeting a wedding?
>
> >
> >Have you ever considered that just coz someone says he is doing
> >something in the name of a religion, it does not make it so?
> >
> >Was Rabin's killer a good Jew doing the lord's work?
>
> No, his action was contrary to Jewish religious law.
>
> >
> >Adam
> >
> >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:23:31 +0000, Adam
> >> <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in
> >> message :
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Yes, I have a very dim view of Islam. It is a religion
that brings out
> >>>>the worst in people toward non-believers.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Much less so than Christianity. Catholics & the
Inquisition? the 30
> >>>years war? The Massacre of the hugenots? etc.etc.
Christianity only got
> >>>stomped on by the enlightenment & the rise of secularism.
> >>
> >>
>

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