From: Adam 

Ellen K. wrote:
> Nope.  Humans have free will.
>

Through an act/decision of God.

Adam

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:52:47 +0000, Adam 
> wrote in message :
>
>
>>Ellen K. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:58:38 +1100, John Beckett
>>> wrote in message
>>>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ellen K.  wrote in message
>>>>news::
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Everything G-d does is good.  However, there is good in
a revealed way
>>>>>(the crops have rain) and good in a concealed way (drought).
>>>>
>>>>The above describes a policy, not a logical point-of-view.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if you think that ONLY G-d does things. If you do, your
>>>>policy is that all things are good. The result is that the
word "good" has
>>>>no meaning to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>No, humans also do things.  We have free will.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Some would already say 9/11 was good because it woke up
the world to
>>>>>militant Islamism.
>>>>
>>>>A complex event like 9/11 has many facets. One aspect is
that we all get
>>>>to evaluate what is important to us (should I do an extra
three hours work
>>>>for the Boss tonight, or should I think about my family?).
>>>>
>>>
>>>One positive result.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another helpful aspect is that the problem of militant
Islamism is out in
>>>>the open, and people are grappling with how to deal with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>And another.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But the core event (crashing planes into civilian targets
in order to kill
>>>>thousands of innocent people) is BAD! Any deity worthy of
respect would
>>>>not want you to puzzle over this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course killing innocent people is bad.  Duh.
>>>
>>>Our world is not so black-and-white such that every action has only good
>>>results or only bad results.  The rain that helps the crops surely also
>>>has some bad or negative results.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>Wow this is an interesting pov. Would this would make the holocaust good
>>or bad as it lead to the creation of the state of Israel? & f thus the
>>holocaust was God's will then why pursue those who carried it out given
>>they were only following the will of God?
>>
>>& then the creation of the State of Israel has involved many deaths etc
>>& the seizure of someone else's land so is this good or bad & is it
>>actually part of aother of God's plans wrt the faithfull followers of Islam?
>>
>>Crikey this could be the ultimate get out of jail free card.
>>
>>Adam
>
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