From: Ellen K. 

Nope.  Humans have free will.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:52:47 +0000, Adam
 wrote in message
:

>Ellen K. wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:58:38 +1100, John Beckett
>>  wrote in message
>> :
>>
>>
>>>Ellen K.  wrote in message
>>>news::
>>>
>>>>Everything G-d does is good.  However, there is good in a
revealed way
>>>>(the crops have rain) and good in a concealed way (drought).
>>>
>>>The above describes a policy, not a logical point-of-view.
>>>
>>>I don't know if you think that ONLY G-d does things. If you do, your
>>>policy is that all things are good. The result is that the word
"good" has
>>>no meaning to you.
>>
>>
>> No, humans also do things.  We have free will.
>>
>>>>Some would already say 9/11 was good because it woke up the world to
>>>>militant Islamism.
>>>
>>>A complex event like 9/11 has many facets. One aspect is that we all get
>>>to evaluate what is important to us (should I do an extra three
hours work
>>>for the Boss tonight, or should I think about my family?).
>>>
>>
>> One positive result.
>>
>>
>>>Another helpful aspect is that the problem of militant Islamism is out in
>>>the open, and people are grappling with how to deal with it.
>>
>>
>> And another.
>>
>>>But the core event (crashing planes into civilian targets in
order to kill
>>>thousands of innocent people) is BAD! Any deity worthy of respect would
>>>not want you to puzzle over this point.
>>
>>
>> Of course killing innocent people is bad.  Duh.
>>
>> Our world is not so black-and-white such that every action has only good
>> results or only bad results.  The rain that helps the crops surely also
>> has some bad or negative results.
>>
>>
>>>John
>>
>>
>
>Wow this is an interesting pov. Would this would make the holocaust good
>or bad as it lead to the creation of the state of Israel? & f thus the
>holocaust was God's will then why pursue those who carried it out given
>they were only following the will of God?
>
>& then the creation of the State of Israel has involved many deaths etc
>& the seizure of someone else's land so is this good or bad & is it
>actually part of aother of God's plans wrt the faithfull followers of Islam?
>
>Crikey this could be the ultimate get out of jail free card.
>
>Adam

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