From: "Robert Comer" 

> Responding to democrat lies used as attacks is NOT attacking the
> democrats.
> Except in some alice in wonderland conception of the facts.

It sure is to me and I'm always going to listen to real evidence over
gratuitous attacks.

> The republican position is the same as it always has been.

Part of the problem...

>Its the same as
> the position espoused by Hillary, Kerry, Reid, Dodd, Kennedy, et al in
> 2002.
> Saddam needed to go, and he was a threat that needed to be dealt with.

So?  They were following the intelligence they were given and the president
in a (perceived) time of need.  That's not what I'm questioning...

> Its the democrats seeking to justify their coming out of the closet on
> what
> they really believe (i.e., the old surrender now, often and early politics
> of the cut and run party) that need to put up a justification for their
> lying double talking two faced form of political discourse.

I respect someone who changes his mind given new evidence, so it's not
exactly hurting the democrats to me.  (though doing it for purely political
gains does, but that's another argument.)

It's up to the current administration to either prove them wrong are start
admitting some things themselves..

--
Bob Comer


"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
news:437cbf34{at}w3.nls.net...
> Responding to democrat lies used as attacks is NOT attacking the
> democrats.
> Except in some alice in wonderland conception of the facts.
>
> The republican position is the same as it always has been.  Its the same
> as
> the position espoused by Hillary, Kerry, Reid, Dodd, Kennedy, et al in
> 2002.
> Saddam needed to go, and he was a threat that needed to be dealt with.
>
> Its the democrats seeking to justify their coming out of the closet on
> what
> they really believe (i.e., the old surrender now, often and early politics
> of the cut and run party) that need to put up a justification for their
> lying double talking two faced form of political discourse.
>
> Gary
>
> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
> news:437cafcd{at}w3.nls.net...
>> > What charges?
>>
>> Charges the democrats are making about Bush leading us into war under
> false
>> pretenses.
>>
>> >I've yet to see anyone post a quote from Bush and then show
>> > it was untrue and then show he knew it was untrue at the time it was
> said.
>>
>> I'm asking for the other side of the argument now -- they the republicans
>> should put up a defense of their actions rather than just attacking the
>> democrats.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>> news:437cad37{at}w3.nls.net...
>> > What charges?  I've yet to see anyone post a quote from Bush and then
> show
>> > it was untrue and then show he knew it was untrue at the time it was
> said.
>> >
>> > Without the above charges of LIES are just LIES about alleged lies.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>> > news:437c6a57{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> But they did it too just doesn't cut it.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, it would be far more effective to answer why the
charges are
>> >> false
>> >> if he could, rather than attacking the opposition.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bob Comer
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>> >> news:437c16a4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> > CHENEY FIGHTS BACK
>> >> > Wed Nov 16 2005 18:56:46 ET
>> >> >
>> >> > Excerpts As Prepared For Delivery Tonight by Vice
President Cheney
>> >> >
>> >> > THE VICE PRESIDENT: "As most of you know, I
have spent a lot of
>> >> > years
>> >> > in
>> >> > public service, and first came to work in
Washington, D.C. back in
> the
>> >> > late
>> >> > 1960s. I know what it's like to operate in a highly charged
>> >> > political
>> >> > environment, in which the players on all sides of an
issue feel
>> >> > passionately
>> >> > and speak forcefully.
>> >> >
>> >> > In such an environment people sometimes lose their
cool, and yet in
>> >> > Washington you can ordinarily rely on some basic measure of
>> >> > truthfulness
>> >> > and
>> >> > good faith in the conduct of political debate. But in the last
> several
>> >> > weeks
>> >> > we have seen a wild departure from that tradition.
>> >> >
>> >> > And the suggestion that's been made by some U. S.
senators that the
>> >> > President of the United States or any member of this
Administration
>> >> > purposely misled the American people on pre-war
intelligence is one
> of
>> > the
>> >> > most dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired
in this city...
>> >> >
>> >> > Some of the most irresponsible comments have, of
course, come from
>> >> > politicians who actually voted in favor of
authorizing force against
>> >> > Saddam
>> >> > Hussein. These are elected officials who had access to the
>> >> > intelligence,
>> >> > and
>> >> > were free to draw their own conclusions.
>> >> >
>> >> > They arrived at the same judgment about Iraq's
capabilities and
>> > intentions
>> >> > that was made by this Administration and by the previous
>> >> > Administration.
>> >> > There was broad-based, bipartisan agreement that
Saddam Hussein was
>> >> > a
>> >> > threat . that he had violated U.N. Security Council
Resolutions .
>> >> > and
>> >> > that,
>> >> > in a post-9/11 world, we couldn't afford to take the word of a
> dictator
>> >> > who
>> >> > had a history of WMD programs, who had excluded
weapons inspectors,
> who
>> >> > had
>> >> > defied the demands of the international community,
who had been
>> > designated
>> >> > an official state sponsor of terror, and who had
committed mass
> murder.
>> >> >
>> >> > Those are facts.
>> >> >
>> >> > What we're hearing now is some politicians
contradicting their own
>> >> > statements and making a play for political advantage
in the middle
>> >> > of
> a
>> >> > war.
>> >> > The saddest part is that our people in uniform have
been subjected
>> >> > to
>> >> > these
>> >> > cynical and pernicious falsehoods day in and day out. American
> soldiers
>> >> > and
>> >> > Marines are out there every day in dangerous
conditions and desert
>> >> > temperatures - conducting raids, training Iraqi
forces, countering
>> >> > attacks,
>> >> > seizing weapons, and capturing killers - and back home a few
>> > opportunists
>> >> > are suggesting they were sent into battle for a lie.
>> >> >
>> >> > The President and I cannot prevent certain
politicians from losing
>> >> > their
>> >> > memory, or their backbone - but we're not going to
sit by and let
> them
>> >> > rewrite history.
>> >> >
>> >> > We're going to continue throwing their own words
back at them. And
> far
>> >> > more
>> >> > important, we're going to continue sending a
consistent message to
> the
>> > men
>> >> > and women who are fighting the war on terror in
Iraq, Afghanistan,
> and
>> >> > many
>> >> > other fronts.
>> >> >
>> >> > We can never say enough how much we appreciate them,
and how proud
> they
>> >> > make
>> >> > us. They and their families can be certain: That
this cause is right
> .
>> > and
>> >> > the performance of our military has been brave and
honorable . and
> this
>> >> > nation will stand behind our fighting forces with
pride and without
>> >> > wavering
>> >> > until the day of victory.
>> >> >
>> >> > Developing...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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