*** Quoting Maurice Kinal from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> so things. Whats really neat is the serve hot begerages too in a can. 
 CS>  Some sort of warmer unit involved.

MK> I've never seen one of those.  They have coffee/tea/hot chocolate ones
MK> that dispense into foam or paper cups but they are usually really bad.

Yeah, those powder drink ones in a cup are terrible.  The canned stuff i am
¨talking about is pretty decent.

 CS> Ah, then you are talking the 'occasional' while i was talking a real 
 CS> live daily *average* where for 2 months it wont drop under 35C even 
 CS> in the dead of the night.

MK> Right.  I got it.  I couldn't handle that.

I figured we had a mis-match someplace.  Right now, I'm chilled as the
sweat is ¨drying out of my hair from walking home.  It's 39C and sprinkling
rain a bit ¨most of the day.  You could handle it, but you'd take a bit of
time to adapt ¨just like we all do.  I was pretty miserable the first year
but after that it ¨got easier.


 CS> I'm not saying we enjoy it .  We just get used to it and 
 CS> continue on as normal.  We actually count temps out here locally by 
 CS> water bottle.  Today is a mere 1 water bottle an hour.  Later, we hit 
 CS> 4 per hour (8-12oz bottles).  The biggest mistake folks from cooler 
 CS> climates make, is to not drink water (or daqari/Pocari sweat which is 
 CS> better) when they encounter heats like this.  Drink enough and you 
 CS> are just hot.  Dont drink enough, and you die.

MK> I'd probably need a water cooler strapped to my back like a backpack w
MK> a feeding tube that automatically and continually feeds water straight
MK> into me.  Perhaps with some sort of regulator the adjusts itself depen
MK> on the air temperature.

Grin, we have those except you have to suck on the tube (it isnt
automatically ¨sent into your mouth).  They are called 'camel backs' and
are authorised in ¨uniform due to the heat while on the ship or the pier. 
The standard model has ¨a wide mouth so you can fill it with crushed ice or
small cubes then add water.
Looks like a small backpack and holds I think (visual clues) slightly less
than ¨1.5 litres?

 CS> Granted true 'cold' here is a mere 3 months (at or near freezing 
 CS> water temps).

MK> Same here except the 'cold' months average above freezing or at least
MK> in the daytime.  Very wet though as a rule.  My guess would be that we

Oh I think ours are slightly above freezing most of the time but it's close
to ¨it.  3-5C perhaps?  I havent been home in winter this past year (was in
the ¨Gulf) so have to trail back memories for actual numbers.  We are just
at the ¨edge of the snow line but the ground is normally too warm for it to
stick or ¨freeze.

MK> average about 10C for daytime temps during those months.

I think we are slightly under that with the rare cold snap that can take us
to ¨-10C (rare event).

MK> That seldom happens here but biking can be a very wet experience and d
MK> depending where one bikes.  Visibilty is the thing and rotten drivers.
MK>  Walking is much safer but just as wet as biking.  Dressing up for 'wi

Ah here folks commonly bicycle to work in all seasons so the drivers are
used ¨to it and watch out well.  It helps that the bikers also keep their
eyes out ¨and follow the rules of the road, stopping at stop signs and all
that.

MK> to stay dry with a sweater underneath to add a tad of insulation.  It
MK> doesn't get too cold here too often.  Same with too hot.  Wet is the t

Yup.  I have several changes of clothes for biking, weather dependant and
¨pretty much the sweater HAS to be underneath or the wind chill will remove
all ¨effectiveness of it.

                                       xxcarol

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