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to: Robert Comer
from: John Beckett
date: 2005-11-17 19:52:58
subject: Re: Greetings From Idiot America

From: John Beckett 

"Robert Comer"  wrote in message
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> > The wonder of science is that you never get a knock-out, 100% certifiable
> > PROOF. It is all just probability.
>
> That's not really the definition of science.

I wasn't trying to define "science". Are you claiming that there
is a scientific fact known with 100% accuracy and certainty? How about a
scientific theory that attempts to describe how the universe operates?

> > It may be time to point out that people often have a very confused concept
> > of what is involved in a species transition. You will never find a hen
> > with any offspring other than chickens via eggs. You will never find a
> > hen's egg that gives anything but a chicken.
>
> I know that, but you will have transitional forms.

I was addressing the issue of what it means to observe evolution. You can't
actually do it in the way that some here have suggested would be required
in order to verify that evolution is an accurate theory (you can't do it
because it is logically impossible given the definition of what evolution
is).

If you travelled in a time machine from 1 billion years ago in the past,
through to the present time, pausing to sample life every 100 years, you
would observe NO EVOLUTION! However, you would notice that life has
imperceptibly got a LOT more complex than it used to be, and a lot of
things are walking around now that weren't walking around before.

> > One species does not become another species in any way that would be
> > recognisable to an observer. It takes MANY generations, with imperceptible
> > differences between each parent and their offspring.
>
> I disagree, some species have such a fast generational turnover that it's
> possible.

You can only observe that the "final" product is significantly
different from the initial product.

For an example of how you CAN observe evolution, I am told that if you
study a large variety of different species (particularly in the oceans),
you can observe a vast array of different light-sensing organs. Taken
together, you can observe how an eye can evolve.

John

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