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from: Dustbin dustbin_address{at}
date: 2005-03-16 01:13:00
subject: Re: Four Witnesses or Confession to Prove Rape Charge

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> You may hate the Moslems for good reason, but the Koran does have one good
> law which we should adopt:
> 
> Since rape is the easiest crime in the world to accuse a man of, it should
> be the hardest crime in the world to prove.  Therefore, under Moslem law,
> to convict a man of rape, either he must willingly confess or there must be
> FOUR male witnesses to the crime.

I didn'y know this.

Precisely because rape is almost impossible to 
provce with any meaningfull confidence I have 
been insisting for more than ten years that the 
rape laws should be abolished.

D.

P.S. that'll get the girls going.

> If you don't think this is a fair way to treat rape cases, bear in mind a
> certain Mr. Rose of Lodi, California rotted 10 years in prison for a rape
> he was wrongly convicted of by false testimony of a single minor witness.
> Read the whole story below:
> 
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>>Inmate free after DNA test
>>Jury had convicted man in '95 rape of Lodi girl
>>
>>By Jeffrey M. Barker, Record Staff Writer, October 30, 2004
>>
>>STOCKTON -- Consistently, for nearly 10 years, Peter Joseph Rose has
>>maintained his innocence. He has said he did not kidnap and rape the
>>13-year-old Lodi girl who identified him in court as her attacker.
>>
>>On Friday, he was vindicated and freed. His six convictions relating to
>>the crime were reversed. His 27-year sentence was halted. New DNA evidence
>>had ruled him out as a match for the semen found on the victim's underwear
>>immediately after the 1995 attack.
>>
>>Rose, 36, walked out of Mule Creek State Prison into the arms of family
>>members. His is the first San Joaquin County case to be overturned on DNA
>>evidence, according to prosecutors in the district attorney's office.
>>
>>San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Stephen Demetras signed an order
>>early Friday for Rose's release, granting a petition submitted by the
>>Northern California Innocence Project at San Francisco's Golden Gate
>>University.
>>
>>In doing so, Demetras did not declare Rose's innocence but said that had
>>attorneys had the DNA findings in 1996, the jury would have been presented
>>a very different case. Demetras ruled that the outcome very likely would
>>have been different.
>>
>>The Innocence Project, however, was more dramatic, saying the DNA testing
>>had proved Rose right and calling the convictions the result of
>>"suggestive and coercive" police interviews of a young girl.
>>
>>The victim, who is about 23 now, was not notified Friday of Rose's
>>release. Deputy District Attorney Brian Short said he has tried several
>>times to reach her, even asking the Lodi Police Department for help. He
>>expressed concern that she might read of the overturned convictions in the
>>newspaper. If she does, he said, he would like her to contact him.
>>
>>That's because Short, who did not originally try the case, is now charged
>>with reinvestigating the crime.
>>
>>"I think we have a strong obligation to do that," Short
said. "We're in
>>the situation now of trying to do the right thing ... 10 years later."
>>
>>Rose was an acquaintance of the victim's aunt in April 1995, when the girl
>>was grabbed and dragged into an alley while walking to Woodbridge Middle
>>School. She didn't get a good look at her assailant, a man with a mustache
>>who raped her and forced her to perform oral sex.
>>
>>She initially said she did not know who had attacked her. She failed to
>>pick Rose out of a lineup, even though he closely matched police sketches
>>of the attacker, Short said.
>>
>>Three weeks later, after what Short called "pressure" from law
>>enforcement, the girl named Rose as her rapist.
>>
>>Blood-type tests used at the time to match Rose to semen were inconclusive
>>but did not rule him out.
>>
>>A jury convicted Rose of kidnapping a child, kidnapping with the intent to
>>rape, kidnapping for a lewd and lascivious act, rape and forcible copulation.
>>
>>Rose sobbed at his sentencing and called the crime "sick;
that's not me,"
>>according to newspaper accounts.
>>
>>Rose had tried unsuccessfully over the past eight years to appeal his
>>conviction.
>>
>>In January 2002, the Innocence Project took on his case.
>>
>>Marilyn Underwood, a Golden Gate University law student, was the first on
>>the case. Silky Sahnan, another student there, argued a motion to allow
>>DNA testing of the evidence.
>>
>>That more-advanced testing showed definitively that the semen found was
>>not Rose's.
>>
>>Short said that knowledge would have entered into the case. He said jurors
>>probably then would have been told that the victim was sexually active --
>>that she had had intercourse two days before the attack with her
>>boyfriend, who allegedly wore a condom.
>>
>>The exoneration is the first for Golden Gate's clinical program, said
>>Susan Rutberg, its director. A sister program at the University of Santa
>>Clara has helped free three people from prison, Rutberg said,
>>
>>"I'm so excited right now," Rose said briefly Friday
evening while having
>>dinner at a Mexican restaurant with his family, which includes four
>>school-age children, and with attorneys who worked on his case.
>>
>>He said he probably would move to Point Arena, where his mother lives, and
>>work with his cousin, who is a fisherman.
>>
>>Beyond that, Rose hadn't done much thinking -- not about the renewed
>>investigation into the crime or about the nearly 10 years he lost
behind bars.
>>
>>"I haven't even really thought about that," he said.
"I'm just happy to be
>>with my family right now."
>>
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> PLEASE NOTE THAT VINDICTIVE D.A. WAS READY TO RETRY THE POOR DEVIL -- HE
> WAS LATER COMPLETELY EXONERATED BY THE JUDGE!  THIS MAN IS TOTALLY INNOCENT
> AND THERE IS NOW NO QUESTION OF THIS FACT.
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