On 15 Mar 2005 13:30:37 -0800, "bluesmama" 
wrote:

>
>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 15 Mar 2005 12:57:27 -0800, "bluesmama"

>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:00:15 -0500, howldog
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >the point is, these superhero chick shows are about
as realistic
>and
>> >> >empowering as The PowerPuff Girls. Its amazing to me that any
>woman
>> >> >could get any "empowering" out of them. You
could say the same
>thing
>> >> >about a guy who watches James Bond and gets any
empowerment outta
>> >that
>> >> >as well, I guess.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Men are not allowed to receive empowerment from anything.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Do you truly believe this, or are you exaggerating?
>>
>>
>>
>> What kind of question is that?
>
>It's quite a serious question. Which you didn't exactly answer. Do you
>truly believe that men are not allowed to receive empowerment from
>anything?
>
>> Name one thing that men are allowed to receive empowerment from.
>>
>Well obviously I'm not a man, so I can't know firsthand what things men
>draw empowerment from, I can only make assumptions and God help me if I
>make assumptions here because someone is going to trot out the tired
>old ASS-U-ME thing, but anyway, assume I will.
>
>I'm assuming men get feelings of empowerment from similar things that
>women get them from; situations where they feel competent, desired,
>respected, and so on. Being good parents, being good providers, being
>good at whatever it is they choose to do.



This is fucking bullshit, and it's just the sort of fucking bullshit
that I would expect from a pampered princess living in a matriarchal
society who takes her privileged status for granted...

....to say nothing of the fact that you COMPLETELY blew over the
qualifier that I set forth at the end of the post (where I said "I
don't mean, as individual human beings.  I mean, AS MEN.")

We were talking about the fact that women receive empowerment from the
exaltation of women and the humiliation of men.  The examples being
used in this thread were those scenes from movies and TV where
ass-kicking chicks use martial arts to subdue armies of men with their
bare hands and feet.

Howldog was making the point that women are allowed to receive
"empowerment" from scenes in popular mainstream entertainment in which
women beat up men.  Can you think of an equivalent male-empowering
entertainment phenomenon that exalts men over women?

And another example of popular renditions of female "empowerment" are
any ceremony or news story which honors a female achiever as a WOMAN
or as a FEMALE achiever - whereas MALE achievers (far more numerous
and with achievements far more worthwhile) are honored only as
INDIVIDUALS and not as MEN or as MALE ACHIEVERS.

When some group of female Americans won some sort of soccer tournament
against all-female competition in 1999, that was supposed to be some
sort of triumph for American women and girls and some sort of disgrace
for American men (as though male athletes had never before won glory
for their country).

The ability of a team of American women to prevail over a number of
teams of foreign women was portrayed, in some mysterious unexplainable
and illogical fashion, as proof that females were superior to males.

How come when John Elway comes back from adversity to win two Super
Bowls; how come when Lance Armstrong overcomes testicular cancer to
win the Tour de France, they are portrayed as INDIVIDUAL role models
and not MALE role models?

If female tournament winners against other females are touted as proof
of FEMALE superiority, how come the accomplishments of male athletes
aren't touted as proof of MALE superiority?

You know all of these things are true, and you know that this is what
we are talking about.

But instead of looking at the monster in the face; instead of facing
this issue head on...

.... you fell back on a number of warm and fuzzy things that "men and
women" might do to make them feel "empowered" because those things
make you feel so snuggly and contented inside, and alluding to them
soothed whatever pain you might have felt in whatever dregs of a
conscience you might have - and you also thought that alluding to them
would defang your opposition.

Well, FUCK YOU, bluesmama!  FUCK YOU!  FUCK YOU!  FUCK YOU!  FUCK YOU!


> 
>> I don't mean, as individual human beings.  I mean, AS MEN.
>>



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