bluesmama wrote:
> Hyerdahl wrote:
> > Viking wrote:
> > > On 1 Apr 2005 12:37:08 -0800, "Hyerdahl"

wrote:
> > >(edit)
> > >
>Again, I have no reason to condemn women for making the same kinds
> > of
> > > >films and jokes and magazine contributions about men that men
make
> > > >about women.
> > >
> > > a) You're a lunatic. There are no movies made about men beating
up
> > > women unless the idea is that the woman gets revenge.
> >
> > Sure there are.  There are many, many films about serial killers
> > torturing and killing women and it's about those men and the cops
> that chase them and NOT about the woman getting revenge.
> > >
> > > b) Your argument is ridiculous; one should condemn things that
are
> > > wrong. How about this rewriting of your assertion:
> > >
> >   So you want me to condemn a splinter in one eye while the beam is
> in the other?  :-)  I don't think so.  That would be a bit like
> condemning> men for shoplifting.  ;-)
> > >
>
> Can't you condemn them both, if you think the behavior is wrong?

When you compare the behavior of criminals, there is an objective
element and a subjective one, bluesmama.  We look at the actions
objectivily, i.e. would a reasonable person do "x" and then we look at
it subjectively, i.e. would a person in this person's circumstances do
"x".
Where men are concerned they started denigrating women, shortly after
Eve ate the alleged apple, and they haven't stopped since.  Women are
now doing the same thing (and it's been a relatively short period of
time, historically).  I think the reason women have decided to slam men
is not so much in retaliation as it is a back fire to fight back.
Women have decided that it's men's turn to be humbled so that they
understand how it feels.  Perhaps, in that way, sexism will turn around
a bit faster.
No, I don't condemn these women any more than I would condemn a
firefighter for starting a back fire to fight an out-of-control blaze.
OTOH, Lilith may have no need to fight back; she simply left the
garden. :-)



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