DW> I don't think we should emphasize the "learning environment" aspect of
 DW> BASIC.
Disagree and I mean no disrespect.  Modern programming consists generally
of two major sections - the meat and the user interface.  The meat" is
what I like the best and it most assuredly takes practice and therefore
an environment in which to learn.
One can go directly to something like VB and need to dork with a complex
GUI while learning programming logic.  Or one can use a nice environment
like QB to learn.  My implication isn't that learning in QB is as far as
it can go.  I wrote a nice billing program in QB.  Chris Gunn earns most
of his living in QB/PDS.
So I think you take offense prematurely.
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