"Society" (Society{at}feminism.is.invalid) writes:
> "Andre Lieven"  wrote in message
> news:d2peg4$i56$1{at}theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> Viking writes:
>>>
>>> jason steiner opined...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's just my social circle, but I have
>>>> especially noticed an increase in bitter and
>>>> lonely middle aged women in recent years.
>>>
>>> And from this, you deduce somehow
>>> that women are becoming pickier?
>>
>> In the sense of dating "up", I'd say that he's
>> more right than not.
>
> Uh, I disagree.  Each generation of women
> has always been "dating 'up'".  An illustration
> in Dr. Warren Farrell's landmark book,
> _Why Men Are the Way They Are_, reveals
> the differences in men's and women's mate
> selection behavior.  90% of women have their
> eyes on 10% of the men.  The remainder of
> men are largely ignored by women almost all
> of the time.  They're sexually invisible, (which
> might play a role in explaining why in a
> feminized culture like Christendom there's
> so much loose equivocation between "male"
> and "man").

I don't argue against that, but rather, that such
women are getting, well, noisier and bitchier about
their inability to make 10% of the men go around
to 90% of the women.

Many women used to go " Oh well, I cna't nab a
millionaire, now I'll go and look at some guys
a bit under that socio-economic level. "

Wheras now, many are going " Them horrible men !
How dare the millionaires not get with me NOW ! ".

>>> It's never occurred to you that the MEN
>>> might not want to date some psycho-loony
>>> feminist hate bag??
>>
>> That's the other side of the equation, of course.
>
> Well, Jason Steiner has lived his whole life
> in a drunk-on-estrogen culture.  Also, the age
> cohort of his social circle is, I would guess,
> getting to the stage of life in which the women
> lose most of what Beauty Power they've had
> taken for granted all their lives.  Adversity doesn't
> make character, it reveals it, eh, Andre?  Jason
> is simply expressing his surprise at what the loss
> of their Beauty Power has revealed about the
> women of his social circle.

Quite, yes.

> Among many dogmas bequeathed to Western
> culture by the ancient Greeks are the ideas that
> truth is beautiful AND that the beautiful is the true.
> The latter notion, especially, has been the source
> of much (but by no means all) that is bad about
> our culture -- the modern mass fascination with
> the starlet celebrity and whatever pops out of her
> lip-glossed mouth is one example.  On the scale
> of the individual, another example is the Genetic
> Celebrity.

Indeed. Who was it that said " imagine if people's souls
were as visible by others as their chosen outward looks " ?
I paraphrased some.

>> But, it doesn't mean that both parts aren't in play.
>
> Yeah, but...
>
>    Who is the predator: the fish that hits on the bait,
>    or the fisherman who dangles the bait?  The duck
>    that flies into a cove with other ducks, or the hunter
>    who set out the decoys to make the cove appear
>    friendly to ducks?  The man who hits on a woman,
>    or the woman who works to make herself appear
>    as sexually appealing to men as possible?
>
>    Rod van Mechelen, Things that make you go, "hmmm"
>    http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/hmmm07.html

True, but consider: When the fish stop biting, might it be
that the bait is no longer appetising ?

>>> Give this one some more thought
>>> and report back later.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> IMO, the answer to the question in the subject
> of this thread is "Yes" and the most common
> form of "man sharing" in Christendom is women
> marrying the Welfare State and living in
> bureagamous relations where they collectively
> share the cold cash the Nanny State ransacks
> from men's earnings.  (re: Anthropologist Lionel
> Tiger)  I suppose that wasn't what Jason Steiner
> had in mind when he posed his question.  Maybe,
> like those astonished by the answer "42" he
> should work harder to understand his own
> question, eh?

Agreed.

> --
>    Germaine Greer, at each stage of her so-called adult life
>    spews out a diatribe about how her current problem
>    is caused by those awful men. She used to gripe about
>    the oppressive sexual attentions of men, while taking
>    advantage of said oppression to sleep with Warren Beatty,
>    among countless others. Now that youth has long departed,
>    and rich actors want to be "just friends," she's seen the light
>    and decided that the REAL crime is that aging women are
>    sexually invisible. ...  All I can say to Ms. Greer is,
>    "Welcome to the club!"
>
>    Book Review by Wilbur Wormwood of _The Change:
>    Women, Aging and the Menopause_, by Germaine Greer
>    published in _The Backlash!_ magazine, July 1996
>    http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/book07.html
>    (ellipses added)

Andre


--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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