On 2020-10-20, Martin Gregorie  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:13:14 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> That sounds like the way it should work.
>
> I was lucky: spent 15 years in Logica while it was still a thing.
>
>> I experienced a management invasion
>> where the new bosses constantly preached the virtues of teamwork,
>> while systematically destroying the smoothly-operating teams that had
>> been in place for 10 years.
>
> Were they all MBA's or salesmen by any chance? If they were, that would
> explain it perfectly.

Our first warning was when a consultant walked into our office and said,
"OK, now here's the plan..."  Why should he ask us how things worked?
All we had been doing was keeping the place running for 10 years.

I know, there are good consultants out there.  But I've cleaned up
enough messes left by bad ones that I consider them guilty until
proven innocent.

> Salesmen make terrible managers and there should be a permanent open
> season on MBAs.

At a previous company I learned how important it is to keep the salesmen
on a tight leash.  This outfit didn't.  On one project we ate a man-year
trying to keep a salesman's promises.  I swore that if it happened again
I'd be gone.  Not only did it happen again, it was the same salesman who
did it.  (He left halfway through that one.)

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