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Hello Roger - 

RS>> The new version of ASP, ASP.NET, is a vast improvement
RS>> over the previous version. I worked with it on my previous
RS>> job. 

>> To be honest I don't really know what '.NET' is. It appears
>> to be some combination of an IDE, 'Visual[pick your
>> language]', CVS, and a VM all rolled into one. I'm probably
>> not understanding the descriptions I've been reading of what
>> it is supposed to be. 

RS> It's a marketing term. Something that absolutely anyone
RS> (even a corporate executive) can remember. The version
RS> known as .NET is really just the latest version of the
RS> Visual Studio product which happens to be 7.0. If you want
RS> to know the actual product version you have to look in
RS> Help|About. I know that the MS marketing engine has
RS> turned-off a lot of people with the .NET moniker. I wish MS
RS> would just allow the product to stand on its own merits.
RS> Visual Studio includes an IDE as well as language support
RS> for C and C++, the latest incarnation of Visual Basic, a
RS> new C variant named C#, as well as a new framework that
RS> encapsulates the Windows API and provides robust support
RS> for developing web services and/or just about any kind of
RS> app that uses the internet. ...Oh, and, please don't ask
RS> what a web service is. 

So ... if I'm understanding your description my 'concept' of
what '.NET' is was reasonably close (see my above paragraph)? 

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>> I've been beaten down by the 'too old' that is prevalent the
>> past decade (or more) and no longer expect to recover time
>> lost learning every new 'trick' that flows down that pipe
>> (work). I don't fight to avoid the 'new', I just don't go
>> looking for it anymore. ;-) 

RS> Well, that's life. :-) You can't recover from lost time...
RS> You just have right now and what you choose to do with the
RS> time you have. I'm not a kid anymore either, and I don't
RS> have time to try to learn every language that comes down
RS> the pike. 

Odd thing is that those who are 'in charge' don't seem to
realize that employees don't want to waste a life chasing every
flash in the pan new development for them. I guess there are
enough youngsters out there who are easilly fooled? 

RS> I only suggest this version of ASP to you because it is so
RS> easy to grasp and get busy with. From what you were saying
RS> someone wants you to learn ASP... Well, if you gota do it
RS> you might as well do it with something that is doing to
RS> allow you to be productive. The previous version of ASP is
RS> really kind of kludgie (is that a real word?). This latest
RS> version is a fresh implementation and really a huge
RS> improvement. 

Sorry, you lost me. What "lastest version" are you referring to
now? 

BS>>>> Unlike most folks, though, I typically use cgi with
BS>>>> compiled applications rather then with Perl or some
BS>>>> other interpreter. 

RS>> From what I am seeing it looks like the whole world is
RS>> leaving CGI behind in favor of PHP. 

>> If by 'whole world' you refer to the younger members,
>> probably. The young people I deal with lack the focus to
>> learn C or (god forbid) ASM. 

RS> Well yeah, I know that youngsters have taken a liking to it. 

Young people like any new language that is too new for anyone
older than them to already have learned. It offers them an even
playing field in terms of who gets to be in charge. ;-) 

>> Never really liked SED either though. Reminds me of EDLIN
>> too much. 

RS> Having been an edlin user, I can tell you that other than
RS> being line editors, sed and edlin have very little in
RS> common. Sed is like grep with an editor built in. It seems
RS> limited at first, but you'd be surprised how much you can
RS> do with just a couple of small buffers and a handful of
RS> editing commands. 

I believe you but for some reason sed just reminds me of edlin
at least conceptually if nothing else. Edlin is scriptable and
I have used it that way in the past. 

>> Young admins seem to either think compiled C binaries are an
>> attempt to takeover their servers or that they have a
>> 'sucker' they can over-charge for the privilege of using C
>> binaries on the server. Either way it puts me back to Perl
>> or ASP. 

RS> Could be... I thought it had more to do with allowing
RS> low-level execution and the fact that a poorly written C
RS> program could easily take down a server. 

Yes, that too. I don't blame them for being cautious but it's
the reason I gave up the idea of using C in place of Perl for
websites. 

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