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from: `john Royer` john.Royer2
date: 2005-04-04 13:03:00
subject: Re: Is there a trend towards man sharing?

"Hyerdahl"  wrote in message
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>
> jason steiner wrote:
>
>> I have no hard data to back this up but my impression is that there
> is a
>> trend towards man sharing in the U.S. Women have become pickier on
> the
>> type of men they will date. As a result of women becoming more
>> selective, they are now sharing the shrinking pool of men they
> approve
>> of.
>
> I agree with you on one point here, i.e. that women are becoming much
> more selective about what men they will accept and what men they won't
> accept; I don't agree that this leads to "man sharing".  The
same kinds
> of women who have high standards regarding men are women more likely to
> resent the notion of  polygamy, IMO.
>>
>> Here are some of the ramifications that I see from this trend.
>>
>> 1. More women are dating married men than ever before.  If "all the
> good
>> ones are taken" , today's women will pick a "taken"
over a man they
>> don't consider a "good one".
>
> Married men don't really "date" other women;  they commit adultry with
> them.  And, usually, when a wife discovers this, they divorce the man
> in question, which is one reason why our divorce rate is so high.
> Adultry has always been popular for men, and today, it is almost as
> popular for married women who work outside the home.  It's about sex,
> fulfillment and the newness of a new relationship.  Adultry sponsors
> divorce.

According to data, adultry by both sexes whether the woman is working
outside the home or not has been roughly equal throughout the ages.

>> 2. More single mothers. Many of the same men are getting multiple
> women
>> pregnant.
>
> I don't know that more of the "same men" are impregnating women, but
> certainly some single women are impregnated by married men.  Having
> more single pregnant women doesn't really imply man sharing, as much as
> it implies, more recreational sex for single women.  This enables women
> to enjoy the sausage without having to buy the pig, especially if the
> woman is waiting for the prince.  :-)

And so what happened to the pill?

And, it enables women to have
> children before they meet the prince.  After all, there is no assurance
> that there is a prince there for every woman, but she can still have a
> family without a pig.

Gues what? No princes oi pricessess, lots of pigs and Cows! I think the
biggest difference is in expectations.
>
>> 3. More lifelong single men. These are the men women don't approve
> of.
>
> I resent that.  :-)  Many single men are wonderful men and women do
> approve.  Bill Maher, for example, is a single man who is very honest
> about his sex life.  He enjoys having sex with many women, and is not
> ready to form an attachment to one.  I approve of Bill Maher, and
> applaud his ability to know himself, and his honesty toward women.
>
>> In an earlier era things would have fallen into place for these guys.
>> These were the guys who used to make good stable husbands and
> fathers.
>> Many will stay single their entire lives which is very unnatural yet
>> does have some advantages.
>>
> Well, being alone has few advantages, but there is no reason for a
> woman to marry a pig, when the sausage is free.  And that's the truth.
Not only is that true but it also applies to the bun, wouldn't you say?


> There's simply no reason for a woman to put up with the kind of shit
> that comes with being married to a pig, especially when a person can
> provide for themselves.
>
>> 4. More bitter women. More women getting used, abused and cheated on
> by
>> the shrinking group of men they approve of.
>
> Nah; women since time immortal have been used, abused and cheated on by
> men.  This is nothing new.

And the converse is true.


What IS "new" is the vast amount of
> information now avialable to women about the real feelings men have
> about women.  This information allows women to make better choices.

actually I beleieve it is the other way around, men as a rule don't share
feelings, but in groups like this they can and because of the amount of
information available, men are starting to see women for what they are too.

> Many women of my own generation who refused to read books by Virginia
> Woolf (because they were depressing) now accept her words.  This,
> coupled with the enforcement of equal rights is giving women a whole
> new lease on life.

This is true.....a lonely one.

>> 5. A large increase in lonely older women. As women age and lose
> their
>> looks many will find themselves alone for the rest of their lives. If
>> they would have chosen different men they might have had
> companionship
>> during their golden years.
>
> What you call an "increase" in older women has actually been going on
> for quite a while.  It seems to me that women's lifespan was increased
> by about 7 years for the last 40 years or so.  However, that doesn't
> mean these women are "lonely".  Women are cooperative creatures; they
> have cooperative interests.  In fact, I mentioned The Red Hat Club in
> another post where older or retired women of means group together to
> take vacations, dine, etc.

And because I have many of them as clients, there isn't one I can think of
who wouldn't rather take that vacation with a man.







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