Ray Gordon wrote:
> > >Ya. Well as I have seen from his inanne posts.... this putz wants
us
> >>to believe in a Free Lunch and there ain't no such animal in this
> >>world!
> >
> > And certainly not in a dance club! The clock is ticking and the
client
> > who doesn't tip generally gets ignored. That's the whole of it -
supply
> > and demand.
>
> This is how it's SUPPOSED to work.  However, in the real world, it
doesn't
> work that way.  Some men have figured out how to get laid by these
dancers
> without tipping them.  If you can't see the obvious problem this
creates for
> the dancers once the men who do tip figure this out, I can't help
you.

Are you sure you're qualified to discuss "the real world"? Have you any
real evidence that there is a "CRISIS" as you describe it actually
going on? References to unnamed "gurus" doesn't count as evidence.

> > Not only does Ray's advice seem utterly worthless - it appears
actually
> > counterproductive.
>
> Saving money is counterproductive?

If you want to save money, don't set foot into a strip club in the
first place.

> Why should I tip a stripper if a guy who doesn't tip her (yet who
also meets
> her at her club) is able to fuck her?

There is no evidence, other than your dubious word, that this is
happening on a significant scale. But again, since your likelihood of
actually getting laid in a strip club is next to non-existent, why go
to a strip club at all?

> > A few weeks ago one of the regular posters here actually submitted
what
> > I consider excellent advice. If a guy wants to meet a dancer, the
best
> > place to do so is in the after hours clubs that some dancers
frequent.
>
> Wow, be a "stage door johnny?"  How lame.

It's not any lamer than the advice you give.

> > Change the environment and the girls often let down their guard.
> >
> > Personally; it would be a coffee shop, Barnes & Noble, the theater
(I
> > love old movies), or at a college sports event.
>
> All places that a woman can turn around and say she's not at to meet
men.

Yes - that's true. But then, women generally don't work as dancers to
meet men either. They do it for the money.

> > The dance club scene is artificial and constrained by rules that
Ray
> > seems completely unaware of.
>
> The rules aren't being enforced.  That's my point.  I'm not going to
> subsidize some other guy fucking a dancer who breaks her rules when
it suits
> her.  Let him pay her way through life.

Then don't go at all! That's simple enough.

> >For me, dancing was business, pure and
> > simple. I knew it was all about sex and illusion.
>
> Exactly: if I know the other guy is getting laid without tipping you,

Allegedly laid. You've provided no proof.

> the
> illusion is shattered.  The men are doing this with witnesses, and
they are
> doing it repeatedly.  Calling them liars (which is what you are doing
if you
> dispute their claims) isn't going to wash here.

I see no evidence that this is happening on a significant scale. You
say - isn't good enough.

> >But in a book store
> > you ask: "Have you read this?" And the ice is broken.
>
> Bullshit.  If anything, that's worse for the guy because his agenda
is
> sexual but he has to hide it.  The chick can respond favorably to
him, but
> she can also leave him in limbo, or just require him to take a rather
brutal
> risk of rejection that a decent or smart man simply isn't going to
take if
> he doesn't need to.

This is laughable. The situation you describe above is even worse in a
dance club! The so-called "favorable response" a guy gets from a dancer
is entirely artificial. It's put on Ray! It's a fraud.

Kate C.



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