-> On 27 May 09  02:50:34, Bob Ackley got back to Dan Ceppa 
-> Re: Using What Works

 DC> The Constitution needs to mean something again.  Many US citizens, 
 DC> when questioned on particular points of it, state that the rights 
 DC> provided by it aren't legal.  

 BA> Many if not most US citizens also believe that their rights are
 BA> bestowed by the Constitution, and are limited to those stated in the
 BA> Constitution (Ninth Amendment notwithstanding).

Americans are becoming too complacent about their rights.  They don't 
realize how hard it was to have obtained them.  And, I'm not just 
talking about a 220 yr old document.  It goes back to the Magna Carta. 

 RW>> Abu Ghraib would have never come to the world's attention if not for
 RW>> some soldier with a camera. 
 
 DC> It would not have been as graphic, that's for sure.  

 BA> That was Rummy's gripe.  Not that it happened, but that it got out.
 BA> "How can we have secrets when everybody over there has a digital
 BA> camera?" - Donald Rumsfeld on Abu Ghraib.

His paraphrase of Nixon is, "If they don't see it, it's *not* illegal!"  

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