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echo: pol_inc
to: Earl Croasmun
from: Dave Drum
date: 2009-05-29 07:32:00
subject: Drowning

-=> EARL CROASMUN wrote to Dan Ceppa <=-

 ~>  ~>  -> desire to quit BEFORE any water was poured at all)
 ~>  ~>  JO> (I didn't know that :-)

 ~>  ~> They held his nose closed.

 ~>  EC> Actually "they" didn't, since he inhaled water
through his nose!

 ~> The last I heard, inhaling water is not a substitute for breathing air.
 ~> And, if watched the video, they initially held his nose.

 EC> One person held him BY the nose, but didn't hold it closed.  If he HAD
 EC> held it shut, he would have been partially suffocating the subject.
 EC> The last time you heard (if there was a last time or even a first
 EC> time), is that equivalent to having plastic wrap or cloth positioned so
 EC> that "air flow is slightly restricted" while water is poured from a
 EC> height of one to two FEET from a CANTEEN CUP (as opposed to a
 EC> one-gallon pitcher being dumped up the subject's nose)?  If you heard
 EC> that it is equivalent, you heard wrong.  And you heard from (and are
 EC> following) someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

Apparently you think that simulated drowning is a joke, Earl. BTW - Drowning is
death as caused by suffocation when a liquid causes interruption of the body's
absorption of oxygen from the air leading to asphyxia.

So, drowning is suffocation. Waterboarding is simulated suffocation - putting
the subject in literal fear for his life. Waterboarding IS torture as much as
extraction of fingernails - especially as it acts on the instinctual level.

ENJOY!!!

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