From: "Robert Comer" 

> Well, on the bright side the odds are none of your doomsday scenarios are
> going to happen at all,

Maybe not in our personal lifetimes, but the odds are pretty close to 100%
that it will happen eventually, in spite of what you think.

--
Bob Comer


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:43911c94{at}w3.nls.net...
> Well, on the bright side the odds are none of your doomsday scenarios are
> going to happen at all, so you're guaranteed to have something to worry
> about for the long-term   enough for ten of us, so we don't have to> 
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:43911a93$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Land Methane ( Siberian bog ) is being rapidly released now. It won't
>> take much ocean warming to release the vast amounts of frozen methane.
>> 55% of ocean species died off the last time that happened.  There will be
>> vast climate change.
>>
>> Sure throwing a super volcano into the mix is just a hypothetical
>> doomsday scenario but whether it's the Siberian Trap, Yellowstone ,
>> Phlegrean Fields volcano West of Naples, Italy,  Lake Taupo in New
>> Zealand amongst others, one of these suckers is eventually going to erupt
>> and I'd rather not have it happen when methane is being rapidly released
>> from the ocean.
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:439113df$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Oh, I understood that Bob was referencing another disaster, but I think
>>> the whole ball of wax is interrelated, so if the coming ice age for
>>> Europe isn't really true, why would the other cataclysmic events it
>>> would've caused come true?
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:43911309$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Bob was talking about the methane being released ( 20
times the potency
>>>> of CO2 as a greenhouse gas )
>>>>
>>>> This is the ominous part - not enough by itself to cause
mass extinctin
>>>> but combined with something like the Siberian Traps super
volcano and
>>>> we are toast.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2088
>>>>
>>>> The release of massive clouds of methane from icy hydrates
buried under
>>>> shallow ocean floors is the leading suspect for the most devastating
>>>> extinction in the fossil record, according to a new analysis.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725124.500
>>>>
>>>> Siberia's peat bogs formed around 11,000 years ago at the end of the
>>>> last ice age. Since then they have been generating methane, most of
>>>> which has been trapped within the permafrost, and
sometimes deeper in
>>>> ice-like structures known as clathrates. Larry Smith of
the University
>>>> of California, Los Angeles, estimates that the west
Siberian bog alone
>>>> contains some 70 billion tonnes of methane, a quarter of all the
>>>> methane stored on the land surface worldwide.
>>>>
>>>> His colleague Karen Frey says if the bogs dry out as they warm, the
>>>> methane will oxidise and escape into the air as carbon
dioxide. But if
>>>> the bogs remain wet, as is the case in western Siberia
today, then the
>>>> methane will be released straight into the atmosphere. Methane is 20
>>>> times as potent a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide.
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:43910f40$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>> news:43910c22$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Yes those areas are predicted to rise in
temperature 1 degree within
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> next several decades or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a *lot*, and no, it's not just those areas,
it's average
>>>>>> global temperature raise of 1 degree, that means
that the warmer
>>>>>> places warm even more than 1 degree because of the
offsetting cooler
>>>>>> places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're not all that many degrees off when the
methane under the ocean
>>>>>> starts melting, and that's VERY bad...
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno if it's really as bad as they want you to
believe (actually I
>>>>> remain sure it's not):
>>>>> ====
>>>>> http://www.techcentralstation.com/120205F.html
>>>>> In the December 1st issue of Nature magazine, Harry Bryden and
>>>>> colleagues at Britain's National Oceanography Centre
report that the
>>>>> Atlantic meridional circulation (also known as the thermohaline
>>>>> circulation (THC) -- the density driven current that
carries warm
>>>>> surface water northward and returns colder deep water
southward -- has
>>>>> slowed by 30 percent between 1957 and 2004.
>>>>>
>>>>> The significance of this finding is difficult to
assess in light of
>>>>> other recent observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Climate model simulations estimate that a complete
shutdown of the THC
>>>>> would result in a cooling of Europe of 4§C or more.
So, shouldn't a
>>>>> 30% slowdown have some noticeable impacts, such as a
pretty sharp
>>>>> cooling trend?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just two days before the Bryden results were
published, a report from
>>>>> the European Environment Agency detailed all of the
ills that Europe
>>>>> has been facing recently because of how warm it has been, and
>>>>> prominently proclaimed that Europe's four hottest
years on record were
>>>>> 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004. And yet, how many
breathless news stories,
>>>>> like the one in London's Guardian, played the Bryden paper as
>>>>> reflecting a long-term (read: anthropogenic
influenced) trend in the
>>>>> THC?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Together, all of this points to a far less clear
picture about the
>>>>> state of the circulation of the Atlantic Ocean than is
generally being
>>>>> reported. On the other hand, if Bryden et. al. have
discovered a real
>>>>> long-term change in the THC, then this will in turn change the
>>>>> paradigm as to how the THC relates to a huge host of climate
>>>>> parameters --  parameters that, at present, don't seem
to be behaving
>>>>> like they should if the THC is indeed slowing
dramatically. Not often
>>>>> does one anomaly break a paradigm. It happens -- but rarely.
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> As is usual, there is more than one side to the global
warming canard;
>>>>> the hysterical and the reasoned...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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