Replying to a message of Dan Ceppa to Bob Ackley:

 DC> -> On 22 May 09  03:11:18, Bob Ackley got back to Dan Ceppa 
 DC> -> Re: Torture - A Realistic View

 JF>>> Oh I see, they gave up on methods you claim work, hired a bunch of
 JF>>> "sadistic bastards", and let them employ methods
you claim don't
 JF>>> work. Sure Dave.  

 DC>> What did you expect from the likes of Cheney, Rummy and Bush?  

 BA>> I don't think Bush minor was in that loop - or not very far into it
 BA>> if he was in it at all.  He may have signed documents that were put
 BA>> in front of him, but I don't think he bothered to read them first. 
 BA>> The man is famous for not reading things.  In any case, the torture
 BA>> orders and directives came from Cheney's office. 

 DC> Based on what Cheney's saying, Cheney ran the show for the last 8
 DC> years.

Not surprising.  Eight years ago I read somewhere an article about Bush minor's
first day in office.  He went jogging and spent half a day in the WH gym.  Nothing
much went on at the WH.  OTOH, during the same time period Cheney's office was
buzzing with activity.

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