JF>>>     Reports vary.  Former FBI agent Ali Soufan, told a Senate
JF>>> Judiciary  subcommittee that the use of tougher interrogation
JF>>> techniques was  "counterproductive".   However,
former CIA officer,
JF>>> John Kiriakou,  said in 2007 that 35 seconds of waterboarding caused
JF>>> Zubaydah to  reveal key intelligence that allowed the U.S. to
JF>>> prevent several  terrorist attacks.

 RW>> WOuld agree with that.  But, as I said elsewhere, the
 RW>> questioning imho is quite legitimate.  SInce it was done in
 RW>> the name of the American people we darned sure have a right
 RW>> to ask whether or not it was truly effective, whether we

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BK>>  And it didn't do much good.

 RW> Obviously, especially when reading MR. SOufan's testimony.
 RW> I'm assuming.  ONe of the fellows you cited in previous msg
 RW> was from congressional testimony, the other from a
 RW> television program, not sure who was who at the moment .

  Soufan was the Senate testimony. Kririakou was the fellow who
  wasn't there, he was the TV interview.

BK>>  These techniques, from an operational perspective, are
BK>>  ineffective, slow and unreliable, and as a result harmful to  our
BK>> efforts to defeat al Qaeda. (This is aside from the

BK>>  ...

 RW> OF course they are.  Note sOufan's example of utilizing the
 RW> subject's nickname which his mother used to refer to him.

 Outsmarting him, not beating him.

 RW> THe thing is, these folks are prepared for that, as sOufan
 RW> notes.  THey know that we're not going to drop the illusion
 RW> of humane treatment, you might get bounced off a wall a few
 RW> times and waterboarded, but these guys aren't going to do
 RW> surgery on you while you're awake or have other bits of fun
 RW> with you, and if you're a qaeda mid-echelon dude you're
 RW> going to know this going in.  Unlike BUsh et al these folks
 RW> actually have studied their "enemy" and have taken that old
 RW> adage to heart.

 Actually, I suspect he was wrong about that. I would bet some of
 those contractors did go all the way. They had to kill their
 victims to cover it up. Just my guess.

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 RW> aboveboard.  IN fact, I figured he might be moving some hot
 RW> merchanise through his shop.  wHen the two gendarmes came
 RW> to my door to ask me questions cop #1 played bad cop, "we'll
 ...
 RW> so here comes his buddy, we've arleady changed venue to the
 RW> federal courthouse downtown, as this is a federal and local
 RW> thing, and guy comes in to talk with me.  NOw the funny
 RW> thing is I ran the snack bar in the basement for a couple
 RW> months for the guy managed the place when he was out sick.
 RW> so here comes MR. FEd and he does the "hey how ya doin'
 RW> buddy" thing, "ain't seen you since I used to come in to
 RW> get a sandwich coffee and pack of WInstons ... "

 RW> RIght away, I'm willing to talk.  THIs dude's telling me we
 RW> can clear this right up, he talks to me a bit with one of
 RW> the cops who wasn't an a{at}{at}{at} about the whole thing and I
 RW> give him what I think I know but couldn't prove, get my hand
 RW> shook and a ride home.  Right away when I get home, I call

 And that's how it works.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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