Hello Roger!

*** 23.09.2003 at 04:44, Roger Scudder wrote to All:

 >>> Oh well, I don't agree, I think we are quite mutch on topic..
 RS> Actually a

 RS>  We are probably more on topic now then we are much of the time. 
 RS> ;-) 

Agreed :)

 >>> bit on topic, why don't you use FTN software for writing in this
 RS> echo?

 RS> Well, this way is just working out better for me right now.  I am
 RS> running binkd which I use to pick up a large number of conferences
 RS> that I mostly just read.  

Okay, but you're using somekind of Internet software to post here? I've
played with ifmail/fidogate, but I can't get it working properly :/

Actually my classic setup of Binkleyterm/Squish/Maximus works quite well :-) 

 RS> I am a registered Terminate gold keyfile
 RS> holder, but DOS software doesn't do much for me anymore.  I am
 RS> hooked on multitasking! :-)

Oh, but my name-brother is not in buisness anymore :(

 RS> So, currently I am writing my own point software in my spare time. 
 RS> I hear that Apoint is very good... But I think it will be more fun
 RS> for me to "roll my own" so to speak.

Indeed, the same i did about my fileticker, the current filetickers is very
dependent of other programs, or they are not beeing maintained.

My fileticker can nearly do the same as allfix
(http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/gotick).

 RS>> That is not true.  Just like Java, the only requirement is a port
 RS>> of the VM.

 >>> Yes it's portable but Microsoft doesn't do a thing..

 RS>  Do you really want Microsoft to get into the Linux business?  I
 RS> don't! They would only make a mess out of what is (or once was) a
 RS> really exciting movement in software, and a valid alternative to
 RS> the pricey *NIX's like Sun and IBM.

Actually now you're saying it, No :-)

 RS>> Look into the MONO project.

 >>> Yeah I've watched it.

 RS> OK, they why did you say that there were no ports?

Actually I didn't believe that they were so long as they are, sorry.

 >>>    * .NET is not based on open standards (afaik).

 RS>> The C# language has been submitted for standardization.

 >>> It's also written by Anders Hejlsberg (a dane) afair.

 RS> He is one of key the architects.  The C# language, a true .NET
 RS> language, was developed by a large team.  No single person could
 RS> have cranked it out that quickly.

Hmm.. I didn't take Richie and Kerninghan very long time to come out with
C, or do I remember wrong?

 RS>> As Jerry has pointed out.  Java is not, and probably never will be,
 RS>> submitted for standardization.

 >>> But how about ASP.NET etc is it also submitted for standardization?

 RS> As they say,  enlighten thy self 

Yeah a good source 

 RS>>  I take it that you have not worked as a staff programmer in a fast
 RS>> paced corporate environment within the last 3 or 4 years.  The days
 RS>> of the career programmer working on a same project for years are
 RS>> long gone.

 >>> I've do in my spare time, but I bet it's not good enough.

 RS> It's not a question of good enough.  It's a question of "did you
 RS> support yourself and any significant other(s) by working as a
 RS> corporate programmer during the last three or four years?".

No, i've never earned money on programming..

 RS>> Software development cycles have become very short
 RS>> because of fierce competition.  In these environments, 4th  RS>
 RS> generation languages are a requirement for survival.

 >>> Well if your _software engeneering_ is good enought, it doesn't
 RS> matter if
 >>> you implement it in C++ or whatever. It's what people learn in
 RS> Collage.

 RS> You really betray your lack of understanding here.  I don't have
 RS> the time to try to enlighten you, but I will say that different
 RS> languages are more or less suited to different applications.  A VB
 RS> programmer is going to have a hard time developing device drivers
 RS> using VB, where as the VB programmer is going to blow the doors off
 RS> of the Assembler programmer when it comes to writing a Q&D database
 RS> front-end app. 

Yes, different needs different languages :-) Assembler isn't good for all,
so ain't VB.. Maybe C/C++ is a middle way.. in many cases.

BTW most of the devices drivers in the Linux kernel is written in C :)

 RS>>  .NET is not just about some programming language.  It is about a
 RS>> comprehensive strategy for enabling businesses to thrive in very
 RS>> difficult competitive environments.

 >>> If you believe in Microshaft yes.

 RS> I can't help but think that you are just another person who has
 RS> found that it is politically correct to dump on Microsoft.  If it
 RS> helps you to work out some pent-up aggressions, then maybe that is
 RS> a good thing for you.  :-)

Maybe I should go to a work-out centre to get my aggressions out .

[More arguments]

 >>> Arguments..

 RS>  Why not? There is always room for another off-topic thread in
 RS> fidonet! ;-)

Yep, but it's better to have offtopic traffic that no traffic ;-)

Regards,
        Bo

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