From: "Rich Gauszka" 

Oh there's torture to the logic but I suspect we'll really disagree on who
is torturing it


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> Rice said nothing about torture. The only torture I see here is via your
> logic 
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:43961ba2$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> That torture is wrong period.!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> The administration attempting to justify it is just as contemptible.
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:439619a9{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Yes, and your point is?
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:43961517$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> That's right Mark I forgot the the Bushies have redefined torture
>>>> flights to 'may have made mistakes'. At least Rice *ordered* the man
>>>> released for this *mistake*
>>>>
>>>>
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/12/bush-denies-us-rendition-for
-torture.php
>>>>
>>>> Continuing her visit to Europe. Tuesday US Secretary of State
>>>> Condoleezza Rice nonethless conceded [official transcript]
in a press
>>>> conference with new German Chancellor Angela Merkel
[official website]
>>>> that the US government may have made mistakes in its battle against
>>>> terrorism: "Any policy will sometimes have mistakes
and it is our
>>>> promise to our partners that should that be the case, that
we will do
>>>> everything that we can to rectify those mistakes.".
Rice did not
>>>> saywhat mistakes the US government may have made, but specifically
>>>> declined to comment on Khaled el-Masri, a German man captured in
>>>> Afghanistan and held for five months until he was released under
>>>> then-National Security Advisor Rice's direct order [JURIST report].
>>>> Again, Reuters has more
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:439610c5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> "Bush Lied(tm)"
>>>>>
>>>>> The new (well same old actually) liberal approach:
tell a lie, repeat,
>>>>> stir, repeat, stir. You have no proof he ever lied
Rich and you have
>>>>> no proof of torture either, but just keep saying it,
until enough
>>>>> sheep fall in line...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:4395ec99{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Nope -  Unlike FauxNews this is an expose of the
ongoing machinations
>>>>>> perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney regime of sadism
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4395e638$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Just one more example of a news media that is
indifferent to harming
>>>>>>> our war
>>>>>>> effort and their efforts to undermine and harm
their own country.
>>>>>>> Just one
>>>>>>> more example of former and disgruntled liberal
(rather harm their
>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>> than help it) CIA and State Department
bureaucrats making illegal
>>>>>>> use of
>>>>>>> confidential and classified information in the
form of selective
>>>>>>> leaks and
>>>>>>> distortions to try and manipulate the
political process in an
>>>>>>> extra-constitutional manner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find these reports very disturbing.  Just
not disturbing in the
>>>>>>> way you
>>>>>>> intend.  They are disturbing further evidence
of a cabal of CIA and
>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>> Department bureaucrats seeking by illegal and
extra-constitutional
>>>>>>> means to
>>>>>>> subvert the electoral processes of this country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4395bfc1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the Bush/Cheney torture
machine is still finding
>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>> willing to house it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1375123
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dec. 5, 2005 - Two CIA secret prisons were
operating in Eastern
>>>>>>>> Europe
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>> last month when they were shut down
following Human Rights Watch
>>>>>>>> reports
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> their existence in Poland and Romania.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Current and former CIA officers speaking
to ABC News on the
>>>>>>>> condition of
>>>>>>>> confidentiality say the United States
scrambled to get all the
>>>>>>>> suspects
>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> European soil before Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice arrived
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> today. The officers say 11 top al Qaeda
suspects have now been
>>>>>>>> moved to a
>>>>>>>> new CIA facility in the North African desert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CIA officials asked ABC News not to name
the specific countries
>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>> prisons were located, citing security concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The CIA declines to comment, but current
and former intelligence
>>>>>>>> officials
>>>>>>>> tell ABC News that 11 top al Qaeda figures
were all held at one
>>>>>>>> point on a
>>>>>>>> former Soviet air base in one Eastern
European country. Several of
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> later moved to a second Eastern European country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All but one of these 11 high-value al
Qaeda prisoners were
>>>>>>>> subjected to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> harshest interrogation techniques in the
CIA's secret arsenal, the
>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>> "enhanced interrogation
techniques" authorized for use by about 14
>>>>>>>> CIA
>>>>>>>> officers and first reported by ABC News on Nov. 18.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rice today avoided directly answering the
question of secret
>>>>>>>> prisons in
>>>>>>>> remarks made on her departure for Europe,
where the issue of secret
>>>>>>> prisons
>>>>>>>> and secret flights has caused a furor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without mentioning any country by name,
Rice acknowledged special
>>>>>>>> handling
>>>>>>>> for certain terrorists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The captured terrorists of the 21st
century do not fit easily into
>>>>>>>> traditional systems of criminal or
military justice, which were
>>>>>>>> designed
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> different needs. We have had to
adapt," Rice said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The CIA has used a small fleet of private
jets to move top al Qaeda
>>>>>>> suspects
>>>>>>>> from Afghanistan and the Middle East to
Eastern Europe, where Human
>>>>>>>> Rights
>>>>>>>> Watch has identified Poland and Romania as
the countries that
>>>>>>>> housed
>>>>>>> secret
>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Polish Defense Minister Radoslaw
Sikorski told ABC Chief
>>>>>>>> Investigative
>>>>>>>> Correspondent Brian Ross today: "My
president has said there is no
>>>>>>>> truth
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> these reports."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ross asked: "Do you know otherwise,
sir, are you aware of these
>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> shut down in the last few weeks, operating
on a base under your
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>> control?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sikorski answered, "I think this is
as much as I can tell you about
>>>>>>>> this."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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