From: "Rich Gauszka" 

That torture is wrong period.!!!!!!!!!!!

The administration attempting to justify it is just as contemptible.


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:439619a9{at}w3.nls.net...
> Yes, and your point is?
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:43961517$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> That's right Mark I forgot the the Bushies have redefined torture flights
>> to 'may have made mistakes'. At least Rice *ordered* the man released for
>> this *mistake*
>>
>> http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/12/bush-denies-us-rendition-for-t
orture.php
>>
>> Continuing her visit to Europe. Tuesday US Secretary of State Condoleezza
>> Rice nonethless conceded [official transcript] in a press conference with
>> new German Chancellor Angela Merkel [official website] that the US
>> government may have made mistakes in its battle against terrorism: "Any
>> policy will sometimes have mistakes and it is our promise to our partners
>> that should that be the case, that we will do everything that we can to
>> rectify those mistakes.". Rice did not saywhat mistakes the
US government
>> may have made, but specifically declined to comment on Khaled el-Masri, a
>> German man captured in Afghanistan and held for five months until he was
>> released under then-National Security Advisor Rice's direct order [JURIST
>> report]. Again, Reuters has more
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:439610c5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> "Bush Lied(tm)"
>>>
>>> The new (well same old actually) liberal approach: tell a lie, repeat,
>>> stir, repeat, stir. You have no proof he ever lied Rich and you have no
>>> proof of torture either, but just keep saying it, until enough sheep
>>> fall in line...
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:4395ec99{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Nope -  Unlike FauxNews this is an expose of the ongoing
machinations
>>>> perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney regime of sadism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:4395e638$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Just one more example of a news media that is
indifferent to harming
>>>>> our war
>>>>> effort and their efforts to undermine and harm their
own country.
>>>>> Just one
>>>>> more example of former and disgruntled liberal (rather
harm their
>>>>> country
>>>>> than help it) CIA and State Department bureaucrats
making illegal use
>>>>> of
>>>>> confidential and classified information in the form of
selective leaks
>>>>> and
>>>>> distortions to try and manipulate the political process in an
>>>>> extra-constitutional manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find these reports very disturbing.  Just not
disturbing in the way
>>>>> you
>>>>> intend.  They are disturbing further evidence of a
cabal of CIA and
>>>>> State
>>>>> Department bureaucrats seeking by illegal and
extra-constitutional
>>>>> means to
>>>>> subvert the electoral processes of this country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:4395bfc1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Unfortunately the Bush/Cheney torture machine is
still finding
>>>>>> countries
>>>>>> willing to house it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1375123
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dec. 5, 2005 - Two CIA secret prisons were
operating in Eastern
>>>>>> Europe
>>>>> until
>>>>>> last month when they were shut down following
Human Rights Watch
>>>>>> reports
>>>>> of
>>>>>> their existence in Poland and Romania.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current and former CIA officers speaking to ABC
News on the condition
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> confidentiality say the United States scrambled to
get all the
>>>>>> suspects
>>>>> off
>>>>>> European soil before Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice arrived
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> today. The officers say 11 top al Qaeda suspects
have now been moved
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> new CIA facility in the North African desert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CIA officials asked ABC News not to name the
specific countries where
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> prisons were located, citing security concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CIA declines to comment, but current and
former intelligence
>>>>>> officials
>>>>>> tell ABC News that 11 top al Qaeda figures were
all held at one point
>>>>>> on a
>>>>>> former Soviet air base in one Eastern European
country. Several of
>>>>>> them
>>>>> were
>>>>>> later moved to a second Eastern European country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All but one of these 11 high-value al Qaeda
prisoners were subjected
>>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> harshest interrogation techniques in the CIA's
secret arsenal, the
>>>>> so-called
>>>>>> "enhanced interrogation techniques"
authorized for use by about 14
>>>>>> CIA
>>>>>> officers and first reported by ABC News on Nov. 18.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rice today avoided directly answering the question
of secret prisons
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> remarks made on her departure for Europe, where
the issue of secret
>>>>> prisons
>>>>>> and secret flights has caused a furor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without mentioning any country by name, Rice
acknowledged special
>>>>>> handling
>>>>>> for certain terrorists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The captured terrorists of the 21st century
do not fit easily into
>>>>>> traditional systems of criminal or military
justice, which were
>>>>>> designed
>>>>> for
>>>>>> different needs. We have had to adapt," Rice said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CIA has used a small fleet of private jets to
move top al Qaeda
>>>>> suspects
>>>>>> from Afghanistan and the Middle East to Eastern
Europe, where Human
>>>>>> Rights
>>>>>> Watch has identified Poland and Romania as the
countries that housed
>>>>> secret
>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Polish Defense Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told ABC Chief
>>>>>> Investigative
>>>>>> Correspondent Brian Ross today: "My president
has said there is no
>>>>>> truth
>>>>> in
>>>>>> these reports."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ross asked: "Do you know otherwise, sir, are
you aware of these sites
>>>>> being
>>>>>> shut down in the last few weeks, operating on a
base under your
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>> control?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sikorski answered, "I think this is as much
as I can tell you about
>>>>>> this."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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