>    this is the third topic that i have had to deal with this type of
>    involvment from ellen, i am getting sick of the attacks!
>    this one had me thinking of leaving this echo but there are too
>many good people here, if i am not wanted here tell me and i will not
>    bother the echo anymore, if i am please tone down ellen. i am tired
>    of this. thanks c.d.
I don't blame you for being tired of it.  Ellen says she's gone now, of
her own accord. I'm sorry for the hassles. Please see my note to "ALL"
concerning personal attacks. Perhaps it's just time for a reminder.
--Kathy
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