From: "Mark" 

Could be Gary, but perhaps they're thinking the entry of the extra 40-50
million relatives they'll be legalizing at the same time, will keep those
coffers full for an extra 20 or 30 years. That or they really just don't
give a crap about anything but themselves and figure they'll be dead long
before 2040 anyway. 


"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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> I've heard your 4th before, and maybe some of them believe that, but I
> don't think so.  All studies so far indicate the way they are going about
> this that it will be a net negative on social security of several trillion
> dollars EXACTLY at the time that social security without these new people
> is already predicted to go bankrupt (around 2040).
>
> As to which is the first cause corruption or incompetence I could see
> ordering that either way, but for I think its corruption first and
> incompetence as the means by which they rationalize to themselves they are
> not corrupt.
>
> Gary
>
>
> Mark wrote:
>> Sounds about right to me, except I'd re-order the list with 2. first. and
>> add a 4th:
>>
>> They are afraid to fix Social Security, so want a bunch more bodies
>> paying into the system so they can ignore it until whatever time they get
>> tired of working 3 days a week for a few hours a day for about 8 months a
>> year and retire on their separate pension system. > probably cast my last vote for an incumbent of either party>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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>>> Republicans who are for this are motivated by two or three principal
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> 1.  The lobbyists for big business and corporate agri-business and the
>>> Chamber of Commerce representing medium and small sized businesses in
>>> industries like construction, all of whom give these Congress critters
>>> LOTS OF MONEY want the unlimited workers portions of the bill.
>>>
>>> 2.  They are fools and incompetent idiots.
>>>
>>> 3.  They think if they are not for this bill they will lose the hispanic
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> Democrats are for it because these illegals represent another *victim*
>>> group that they can buy votes from and get to vote illegally (and that's
>>> not even counting the additional votes from dead illegal aliens).
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> John Beckett wrote:
>>>> Gary Britt  wrote in message
>>>> news::
>>>>> They don't listen because they are either incompetent or corrupt
>>>>> sellouts. I just got an email from one of my two
senators attempting
>>>>> to justify his work on actively supporting this bill
and trying to lie
>>>>> me into believing he and this bill are conservative and OK.
>>>> What is the motivation for these politicians to support
the immigration
>>>> reform that you (and zillions of others, apparently) don't like?
>>>>
>>>> I suppose some percentage of motivation for a few
politicians would be
>>>> a
>>>> feeling of behaving decently. I like that argument, but
I've got pretty
>>>> fatalistic about stuff like this - you have to draw the
line somewhere
>>>> at
>>>> who you're going to help in the world.
>>>>
>>>> New immigrants are a source of cheap labour (but illegals
would be even
>>>> cheaper, so I don't quite follow).
>>>>
>>>> I'm seriously wondering - what is motivating the
Republicans on this?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>

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