-=> Quoting Dave Toy to Dennis Haddox <=-

 DT> {at}MSGID: 1:229/644 0370d5bf 199.srgames 0370D5BF
 DT> Re: Re: Solar Realms Elite
 DT> By: Dennis Haddox to Herman on Tue Jul 08 2003 09:59 am
 
 > H> Yeah, of course, if you attack a BBS, they're going to have their all
 > H> up on you.  That isn't an indication of duping or cheating.  That is
 > 
 > Did I ever say that was a problem? NO, I didn't. Of course ally
 > support will come into play, that is a no brainer. There has never
 > been any complaint about that. The only complaint is that this league
 > is chock full of cheaters, especially dupe account players. This
 > league was the worst I have ever seen using this type of cheat.
 > The LC of league 777 ranks right up there with the worst I have
 > seen also.

 DT> Dude... I don't know who you are, nor have I ever heard of
 DT> your Bbs... you're not in my league (610, and maybe I'll regret saying
 DT> this but, feel free to join), and I have no idea how many of the 14
 DT> leagues I carry that you do participate in... BUT, I've been in 777
 DT> since Day-1, (and 444 for several years) and I have never gotten a
 DT> single complaint from any of my players regarding eithrt... other than
 DT> the most common complaint of "My attacks are all MIT.. bitch bitch
 DT> bitch". 
 DT> Now, I've played BRE for eons, and up until I started 610 in
 DT> 1999, I too had lots of "questions" about league play.... ie:
 DT> cheating... well let me tell you something, in all seriousness... start
 DT> your own league. THEN you'll see just how f***ed up and outdated the
 DT> game really is. The game is STILL designed for the 'days of old', ie:
 DT> dialup bbs's and Fidonet (ancient) technology. It simply cannot handle
 DT> the speed of Internet packet transfers.

        Not sure if you saw my big post to him.  But it was like
        900 lines or so.  In that I brought this up to him about
        running his own league as a challenge to see if he has
        the spine to do it.  He said no.  So that's enough
        perspective for him i guess just one side.


 DT> Dupe players?? Well DUH!!! Just how the hell would you propose
 DT> eliminating that possibility? Back in the day, it wasn't an issue. Who
 DT> in their right mind would make long distance dialup calls just for the
 DT> sake of playing on multiple boards? These days with telnet, you could
 DT> theoretically play from every single board in every single league...
 DT> even multiple realms from a single board! As an LC, just how the hell
 DT> do you suggest we prevent the possibility? Validation? By what means?
 DT> Email?... we both know how easy it is to have multiple email address's.
 DT> By Phone? Yeah right. Like I'm going to call friggen Australia just to
 DT> make sure the guy is who he says he is. By setting BRE to use 'real
 DT> names' only? It's awfully easy to use fake 'real names'. The best
 DT> weapon Rob and I have (maybe others) is that our bbs software will
 DT> report to us when users are calling from the same IP address... is that
 DT> ROCK SOLID proof that it's a dupe user? NO F-ING WAY! I have several
 DT> husband and wives on my board.. I have several father and sons on my
 DT> board...  see my point? There is absolutely NO FRIGGEN WAY dupes can be
 DT> proved beyond a shadow of a doubt... To quote Johhny Cochoran, "If it
 DT> does not fit, you must aquit." 
 DT> In the 4 years my league has been around, I can count on one
 DT> hand the number of times I've seen suspicious activity. And almost all
 DT> of those have been instances of someone playing from my Bbs, and they
 DT> make it obvious that they also play from another board, and they come
 DT> here to spy. My outlook? In a real war, that's called espionage. I've
 DT> found it keeps my "real" players on their toes. 

 DT> I could go on for a lot longer, but I have to get up for work
 DT> in 4 hours... my bottomline is this.. if you want to *really* see
 DT> what's involved with a BRE league, start one yourself, and I'll join
 DT> it. You've already made a response that you "don't have the
time", and
 DT> that, in itself, is at least part of the answer to your accusations.
 DT> You assume those of us that DO run leagues have 24 hours a day to play
 DT> watchdog over them...   
 DT> No flaming was intended here.. I simply wanted to give you the
 DT> view from a neutral party and I hope your response will be likewise.

        Don't worry my big post was longer and I covered the
        above and much much more.  :)


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